All, Many thanks to everyone who helped on the web site security issue,and the helpful advice on captcha killers. Looks like we VIPs have a long struggle on our hands with this one. Guess some noisy lobbying would help. One question of anyone who has used captcha killer. The notes say to click on the image to create a picture file, but how do we do that when the image has no label? Does the click need to be accurately positioned? After posting the original question, I thought I had a brainwave, to print the page and run it through my OCR scanner, but I gather from what has been said that it would not work. Oh well. More power to our ears! Ken