[jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
- From: Catherine Turner <catherineturner2007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 07:43:47 +0100
Going back to the original point, this issue with Access does affect
me and I find it ridiculous and pathetic that they don't plan to fix
it till release 13. When is 13 due out anyway? There will be new
problems by then with newer versions of Access presumably. But in
fairness, no, I haven't tried an alternative for Access. Perhaps I
should try NVDA or something else.
Catherine
On 9/7/11, frank thompson <fthompson352@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> hi amie
> the point , that you were making in your first email on this particular
> subject , was you buy a product with your money , it should work , and you
> have every right to complain , if it does not work , as it should , wonder
> if watch dog on the bbc would be interested. frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amie Slavin
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:28 PM
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> The major players in this market include an organisation holding charitable
> status, and the government, and therefore taxpayers,who fund ATW purchases.
> Publicly funded markets can be regulated and managed and often are, and this
> being a small one, the presence of the public sector and the third sector in
> the equasion means we're not talking about a capitalist freemarket, or at
> least we shouldn't be.
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Alex Stone - CW
> Sent: 07 September 2011 10:05
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> Darren, yes of course we should, however we have to be realistic about
> what happens in markets with only one or two players in them. I'm no
> economist, but what tends to happen is that the one or two players end
> up fixing prices between themselves.
> Cheers
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren H
> Sent: 07 September 2011 09:56
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> Sorry, that's a bit of a cop out.
>
> Just because we're blind, shouldn't we expect the kind of service from
> our access providers that we do eveyrone else?
>
> If Jaws was a mainstream program with a good deal of other providers
> available, it would never stand up to scrutiny.
>
> It only survives because it's the best of a fairly poor bunch.
>
> Cheers
> Darren
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Alex Stone - CW
> Sent: 07 September 2011 09:55
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> Darren, it is unfortunate, however, even if there was any useful
> competition we'd only end up with a cartel rather than the current
> monopoly.
> Cheers
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren H
> Sent: 06 September 2011 17:25
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> Hi.
>
> It is just unfortunate that jaws hasn't got any competition to speak of.
>
> For all it's faults, it still seems to do a better job than any other
> screen reader I've tried.
>
> Which obviously means, they can do what they jolly well please and we'll
> just have to go along with it.
>
> Yes, of course businesses are there to make a profit.
>
> But the idea of business is to make a profit with a product that works
> correctly and as intended, not half do a job but know that people will
> purchase anyway because they have to.
>
> I'm in the fortunate position of being able to comfortably afford the
> upgrades, but for those that aren't, it's a real pain in the gonads.
>
> Cheers
> Darren
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> Behalf Of Amie Slavin
> Sent: 06 September 2011 17:15
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> But I don't think I do need to put myself in their position. I'm a
> customer, a consumer. It is for them to put themselves, as a
> profit-making business, in my position. Even as a self-employed sole
> trader I wouldn't dream of using my need for income as an excuse for
> monopolising a captive market with a substandard product. Neither would
> any of the business people of my acquaintance. It is for businesses to
> serve customers; not the other way around.
> Bang :o) (for Tom)
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> Behalf Of Graham Page
> Sent: 06 September 2011 16:12
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> Amie yes I'm afraid you are rather going off on one. You need to put
> yourself in the position of the manufacturer of the screenreader who
> relies on the screenreader sales for income.
>
> Yes there are problems with the over all model. Yes I have problems
> with some aspects of the way freedom scientific in particular chooses to
> do business i.e. aggressive use of law suits.
> It is interesting to note that while apple has developed its own
> screenreader, there is also some suggestion at least that the next
> version of windows 8 will have a more useful screenreader built in.
>
> I do hope that there will come a time when expensive screenreaders that
> cost more than the hardware they run on will not be required as they
> will be part of the operating system but if programmers and technical
> support people have to live off the revenue of sales from a screenreader
> it is likely to be expensive.
>
> Regards
>
> Graham
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> Behalf Of Amie Slavin
> Sent: 06 September 2011 14:24
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: An old chestnut
>
> For sure, just as I'm looking at JAWS 12. What a confounded rip-off the
> whole racket is.
> Well done us for not swearing (lol) when, yet again, confronted with
> this very old chestnut, centring on blind people being an easy target
> for those intent on making money out of tech sighted people would laugh
> out of the water.
> Anyway, here I go, off on one: chunter chunter chunter.
> Thanks Tom, for pointing this out. Important info.
> A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> Behalf Of tom.reid21@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 06 September 2011 14:17
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] An old chestnut
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I've gone on for some time about access 2003--7 not being read properly
> under xp. the tab is silent.
>
> Through sightandsound, we have a reply from F s saying that it is a
> known issue under xp and vista.
>
> here's the punch line, though, it is scheduled to be fixed under jaws
> 13.
>
> I've got an sma for this so may be okay if it is fixed, but, what about
> those who haven't.
>
> Surely, this is not good enough.
>
> anybody affected should raise this.
>
> tom
>
>
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