[jaws-uk] Accessible PDFs, the acid test. Was: Browsealoud and Jaws

  • From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:53:03 -0000

This may or may not help, and will depend on a little co-operation
from the creator of the PDF.

First, it should be understood that documents are not created and
edited in PDF format.  A few seconds before a PDF document was
created, it existed in another application such as Word for Windows,
Excel, Quark, Adobe PageMaker or whatever. It may be that you can get
a Word file which would be ideal in this case.

Second, simply scanning a document into Word will only work if, once
in Word, the text can be edited by Word.  This involves an OCR process
to convert the scanned image into text. Otherwise the scan is simply
equivalent to a picture.

Third, like it or not, accept that there is nothing you can do easily
as regards plans, drawings, pictures and such like.  I stress "easily"
and may as well add "economically" to that.

Fourth, the acid test.  Can the resultant PDF be saved as Text, and
does the text in the file appear to be all there?  This does not
require anything more than Adobe Reader 9, which is free anyway.  Open
the PDF file in Adobe Reader, go to File, and select "Save as Text".

There is absolutely no point whatsoever in sending someone who knows
nothing about screen readers two PDF files, one accessible to you, the
other not.  They will see no difference.

Software is beginning to emerge which will examine PDF files, and even
modify the content to assist with accessibility.  However, if text has
been scanned, you have to accept that it is usually no different to a
photograph.

George.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dorothy
Ingram-Gorban
Sent: 24 January 2009 18:32
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Browsealoud and Jaws



 Thanks for that Tiddy but I have done my utmost even had one of them
up
here in front of Pc, taken in material from Equal Opps the DDA and
helpful
material from Sharon Hoyland, I have sent them in perfect PDF like the
one 
on
local Hospital trust, and others they council sent which are "alert
empty
docs, I have had marvellous help from Clive and Phil on list.  and
have
tried for  many months to get to speak to my Mp, you know the
Government
expects all Local Authorities to have 2A  A standards by  next year,
if so
they must put some  push and shove at a Political level. I am  worn
out by
now. Thanks Dorothy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tiddy Ogg" <oggy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Browsealoud and Jaws


> Dorothy, here's what Wiki says:
> BrowseAloud assists internet users with dyslexia and reading
problems,
> as well as those with mild visual impairments. By reading online
text
> aloud and highlighting words or sentences as they are spoken,
> comprehension can be substantially increased.
>
> It is important to note that BrowseAloud's solution does not take a
> non-accessible website and turn it into an accessible website.
Rather,
> it offers free assistive technology for users. The original website
must
> already comply with the technical and legislative requirements for
web
> accessibility.
>
>
> I could not get on to the home page, as they want cookies enabled,
and
> the other site Wiki mentions as using it, the British Council
website,
> was no-go with Jaws.
> I can't see what your council hopes to do with this, but reading the
> above, I doubt it'll be anything useful to anyone, as they appear to
> have no clue about the WAI guidelines.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Dorothy Ingram-Gorban
> Sent: 23 January 2009 21:49
> To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jaws-uk] Browsealoud and Jaws
>
>
>
> Dear List, I know nothing about Browsealoud and wonder if you do I
have
> tried for many months perhaps years to get my  local Council to
provide
> material in a
> manner I as a Jaws user can read. I have had the help of a very
clever
> and
> knowledgeable friend who has explained blow by blow why Jaws cannot
read
> pictures.  Ihavehad to a lot of dealings with a particular
Department
> and have given all information even had a Meeting with Director of
> Communications, sent examples of material Jaws can read and those
which
> say"alert Empty document. late today I was expecting important
> information
> and I am told it cannot be provided the person tried he said to turn
it
> into
> a word document but he couldn't do it,he said it is my software that
is
> reason for the problem, I have the best software and OCR,I did get
the
> promise a person who writes for their website for my Council will go
to
> a
> seminar next week I phone the company this afternoon, I was relieved
> they
> will be covering the DDA act but when I asked about the Screen
readers
> they
> would demonstrate  he mentioned Browsealoud and I do not think he
knew
> much
> about the main 3screenreaders, I am hoping he listened to me and
someone
>
> will,meanwhile
> can any of you tell me of your experience of Browsealoud please?
>
> Thanks Dorothy
>
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