[iyonix-support] Re: Problem installing Firefox-2-r2

  • From: John Williams <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: iyonix-support@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:06:30 +0000 (GMT)

In article <9198f0c24e.peter@xxxxxxxxxx>, Peter Naulls <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>


> So, I'll leave you Alan "sad man" Leighton, and Paul "rational" Vigay.
> I'm going to take a break from RISC OS development for a while,

A pity - especially for those who have supported your efforts financially -
and for those of us who have benefit(t)ed indirectly (low income groups)!

> and excuse myself from this list, since I'm clearly not wanted.

Ball taken home = one hopes, only for tea-time! Back later!

You remind me of 50 years ago on the 'triangle' (a triangular public space
used for recreation by kids)!

> Paul Vigay has so kindly offered to take over Firefox support, so you can
> contact him about that, and ask him when a fix is due.  Since you're so
> willing to settle for mediocre half-arsed solutions, Paul is your man.

No he hasn't! He's only tried to help as best he can! That's childish

> When I come back, I'll see if you clowns have figured out if RISC OS has
> any kind of future.

I'm afraid it's your inability to communicate effectively what "we" can
actually do that's caused this break!

> I look foward to hearing about the plans for a complete Flash player,
> movie player and JVM.  I look forward to hearing about how RISC OS users
> plan to not continually undermine developers by insisting things they say
> are wrong, contrary to their many years of experience.

The word 'paranoia' springs to mind.

> I look forward to hearing that RISC OS users actually want to have a
> better system to use, and not pretending that everything is ok, or "good
> enough".

I am not aware of such complacency.

> I look foward to spending my time doing stuff that is actually rewarding,
> and not equivalent to pushing crap up hill. I look foward to people
> actually taking seriously comments I've made about what needs to be done
> - agree or not - but in a proper debate.

I fear it takes an effective communicator to initiate such a debate, and,
despite your obvious genius in programming, that is evidently not your

> In the meantime, if you really want to see how packaging should be done
> properly, look at Linspire's CNR system.

I have no idea what you're referring to, and I can't be arsed to look, as I
doubtless couldn't follow it, but a packaging system has to be
fully-formed, comprehensive, and effective. For example, see discussion of
packaging on thread:

   Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0703111759450.31633@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

if you are able.

Until then, such a system is ineffective. I appreciate that such a system
is complicated, but if it can't cope with the NetSurf dependencies, how can
we expect it to cope with your stuff (Oh, sorry - you won't be reading this
anyway, having taken your ball home!).

> And oh Paul, if you want to accuse me of stuff, trying referencing things
> instead of making stuff up, it's much more effective.

It seems to me (in my obvious ignorance) that all PV has tried to do is
provide a vehicle for those who have had problems to experience the joys
and benefits of being able to use FireFox - the only way I can actually
initiate transactions through my bank without using <spit>MicroSoft</spit>

> I'll be contactable by email.

And who, I wonder, will risk that!

Your obvious frustration is, IMHO, due to your inability to communicate
your ideas effectively. This is very sad, as you obviously have very great
talents in the programming area.

If you can come to terms with this, and take suitable remedial or
co-operative action to effectively compensate, then you may as well go to
pastures new.

I regret having to say this, but I hope you may eventually realise that
your strengths on behalf of RISC OS may be most effectively used as part of
a team with an effective PR contribution.

Best wishes, but saddened,

You've alienated a lot of people!

But you won't read this anyway, as you've withdrawn!

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