[iyonix-support] Re: Problem installing Firefox-2-r2

  • From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <tim@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: iyonix-support@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:55:28 GMT

In message of 5 Mar, Paul Vigay <lists-nospam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> In article <5c6fd9be4e.peter@xxxxxxxxxx>,
>    Peter Naulls <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> [Snip]
> > Instead now we have documentation which has been made seperately
> > from the developer, contains inaccuraries, is likely to become out
> > of date (for the bits which are correct), and only adds to the
> > general confusion. Another own goal for RISC OS.   Am I annoyed -
> > yes.  And I get to look like a big monster for pointing out serious
> > problems that RISC OS has, but Paul looks like a hero for providing
> > a flawed short-term fix that looks like (but isn't) the right thing
> > to do.
> I still don't understand what you're getting at!
> Please be clearer as to what's incorrect about my article and I can amend
> it accordingly if necessary.
> I think I was replying to a different email to which you thought I was,
> because I've not snipped any important parts of anything. I was replying to
> message b3448abe4e.peter@xxxxxxxxxx in which you were saying you weren't a
> member of AoL.
> If we look back at your previous message (87c075be4e.peter@xxxxxxxxxx) then
> again you don't clarify much. Merely stating that the "firefox installation
> comes from the diversity of shared components that are required to run it"
> and "there clearly is an issue with the profile handling in Firefox"
> doesn't explain what exactly needs to be done to rectify this.
> You really ought to learn to write more succinctly, without going into a
> rant, about which I have no clue.
> Anyway, this is getting more and more off topic for Iyonix support so I'd
> suggest taking it to csa.apps or private email - something I'd have thought
> you might have done anyway if you had a problem with anything I wrote!

This is getting interesting with evidence that "Send reinforcements,
we're going to advance" is being interpreted as "Send three and
fourpence, we're going to a dance".

I am going to give another interpretation of what Peter Naulls may be

  1. It is difficult to get Firefox working after each latest port from
     the source.

  2. The objective must be to remove this difficulty altogether.

  3. Peter is annoyed that RISC OS does not make this easy to achieve
     and he has, as yet, been unable to do this.

  4. One method, possibly the only method, of making FF easy to install
     will involve a proper packaging system.  There will, of course, be
     many other components to the final solution.

  5. It will take a shed load of work to achieve a product that is easy
     to install.

I am now beginning to understand the need for a packaging systems.  They
are needed for highly complex applications to ensure that exactly the
right environment is present for them to operate correctly.

A consequence of this is that the likes of Paul Vigay's homespun Boot
application may not be part of a machine that will run these highly
complex applications.

I await corrections of this alternative view.

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