RE: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs

  • From: "Jason Jones" <Jason.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:54:02 +0100

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Probably semantics, but I am doing it with three rules:

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*         1 for OWA using NTLM delegation (/OWA/*)

*         1 for OWA Legacy Folders using Basic delegation (/Exhange/*
/publix/* etc)

*         1 for all other Exchange connectivity using Basic delegation
(/rpc/* /autodiscover/* etc)

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The other thing you need to check is that the right authentication types
are defined for the Exchange virtual directories on the CAS. One that
caught me out was adding basic to the EWS virtual directory...ISA nicely
logs this in monitoring though as a delegation failure J

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All rules use the same listener...

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Yep I agree about the /autodiscover as part the wizard, not sure this is
included...

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Confused about the SRV solving all the issues - can you elaborate?

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Cheers

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JJ

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From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: 31 August 2007 14:42
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs

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Hi Jason,

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OK, that makes perfect sense and it's the scenario I'm testing today.
One listener, one rule for Outlook Anywhere and one rule for
Autodiscovery, correct?

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So I was right that you can't use the /AutoDiscover path that is
included in the Outlook Anywhere rule since the Outlook Anywhere rule
doesn't respond to the public name autodiscover.domain.com. The Outlook
Autodiscover rule would respond to autodiscover.domain.com and forward
to the /AutoDiscover path.

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The SRV record solution will solve ALL of this complexity because it
will bypass the need for a second URL and second IP address and second
certificate. However, its a hotfix that you have to call PSS to download
and will be included with Office 2007 SP1.

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Thanks!

Tom

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        From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jason Jones
        Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:15 AM
        To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs

        Yep - one listener, two IPs, each IP assigned a different SSL
cert.

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        Not sure if the SRV record will negate the need for the
autodiscover URL and hence allow us to get away with a single SSL cert -
have to check this...

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        From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
        Sent: 31 August 2007 14:13
        To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs

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        Hi Jason,

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        One Web listener, but two IP addresses are being used by the Web
listener, correct?

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        Thanks!

        Tom

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        Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/>=3D20
        Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
        Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
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                From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jason Jones
                Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 6:50 AM
                To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs

                Hi Tom,

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                Managed to get this working today too, although I am
using two individual certs on the same external web listener. The
internal cert on Exchange is SAN'd up and ISA publishes everything to
the internal cert common name irrespective of the public URL.

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                The key to most of it working is defining correct URLs
in Exchange where is defines "External URLs" for things like OOF, OAB,
EWS etc.

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                Now we have all exchange 2k7 services (and all the new
funky stuff) working externally...had to do a lot of it by investigation
and cobbling blog entries together, not ideal, but go there at last.

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                We currently have it working without SRV records, but
just waiting for the ISP to add these records to test if that is a
better solution...

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                Cheers

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                JJ

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                From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
                Sent: 31 August 2007 00:32
                To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs

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                I'd think that Jim might need to update his SAN article.
The article implies that ISA doesn't support SANs on the Web listener,
however I have a guy who has the autodiscover FQDN as a second SAN on
the certificate bound to his Web listener and he's shown me strong
evidence that it actually works, even though it shouldn't.

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                I wish the Exchange or ISA UE teams could get it
together to explain how to get autodiscovery working correctly and more
importantly, show us how it works with and without DNS SRV records. It
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                Tom

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                Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
                Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
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                        From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
                        Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:38 PM
                        To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs

                        Never mind :)

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                        I found it:

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                        http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940881

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                        Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
                        Site: www.isaserver.org
<http://www.isaserver.org/>=3D20
                        Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
                        Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
                        MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)

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                                From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
                                Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:35 PM
                                To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs

                                OK, that's an interesting sentence in a
KB OL update article. But there's no mention of this anywhere else on
the ms.com site.

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                                In addition, how do we configure the SRV
records?

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                                Service?

                                Protocol?

                                Priority?

                                Weight?

                                Port number?

                                Host offering this service?

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                                I try to read minds best as I can, but
I'm flailing on this one :))

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                                > -----Original Message-----
                                > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
                                > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:27
PM
                                > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN
Certs
                                >
                                > DatzDeWun!  O'curse it works in real
life; I tested it.
                                >
                                > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/939184
                                > OL 2K7 seeks a "autodiscovery" SRV
record first, and only if
                                > that fails,
                                > it'll seek the A record.  This is
based on the same domain suffix as
                                > specified in the mail domain.
                                > If your OL client is behind a CERN
proxy (and it knows it), it can't
                                > specify that the proxy should look up
a SRV record for
                                > autodiscover.sfx.
                                > The proxy assumes that any CERN
request will be for a "host"
                                > and makes a
                                > DNS query for an A record.
                                >
                                > OL 2K7 uses the SRV record to discover
the host
                                >
                                > -----Original Message-----
                                > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
                                > On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
                                > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:15
PM
                                > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN
Certs
                                >
                                > BAM!!!!
                                >
                                > I think I get it. On the TO tab for
the autodiscover.msfirewall.org, I
                                > can still use owa.msfirewall.org since
it resolves to the same IP
                                > address as autodiscover.msfirewall.org
on the internal network -- and
                                > the path is going to /autodiscover, so
that's cool. It's all making
                                > sense on paper -- now to see if it
works in real life :)
                                >
                                > BTW -- why do I need a SRV record for
OL autodiscovery? I haven't seen
                                > any documentation on that requirement
on the Exchange side.
                                >
                                > Thanks!
                                > Tom
                                >
                                > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
                                > Site: www.isaserver.org
                                > Blog:=3D20
http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
                                > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
                                > MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
                                >
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                                >
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > > [
mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
                                > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
2:09 PM
                                > > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > > Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN
Certs
                                > >
                                > > Yes; I'd forgotten about the OL
client's "SAN problem".
                                > > It amazed me how much noise the Exch
folks make about the same
                                > > limitation for ISA..  ..but I
digress.
                                > >
                                > > "Web Publishing Rule that is
publishing the
                                > >
autodiscover.msfirewall.org/autodiscover path must be
                                > > configured on the
                                > > TO tab to use
autodiscover.msfirewall.org " - how do you
                                > cone to that
                                > > contusion?
                                > > Why do you think you need to use
"autodiscover" in the ISA rule
                                > > published hostname?  Use whatever
works for ISA and let the
                                > > client be as
                                > > stupid as you want.
                                > >
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > > [
mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
                                > > On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
                                > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
12:05 PM
                                > > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > > Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN
Certs
                                > >
                                > > Hi Jim,
                                > >
                                > > CIL...
                                > >
                                > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
                                > > Site: www.isaserver.org
                                > > Blog:=3D20
http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
                                > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
                                > > MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
                                > >
                                > >=3D20
                                > >
                                > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > > > [
mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
                                > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
1:49 PM
                                > > > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > > > Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN
Certs
                                > > >
                                > > > All good points, but really
orthogonal to the question of how ISA
                                > > > handles SAN certs.  Actually, I
wrote that because some folks were
                                > > > whining about how ISA handled SAN
certs in general.  In
                                > > fact, I tried
                                > > > not to delve into the variant
forms of self-inflicted ISA
                                > manglement
                                > > > pain that were filling other
blogs.
                                > > >
                                > > > Q1 - Why do you need a second
listener?  Use your DNS to point
                                > > > autodiscover to the same Exch
listener.  The public name is a
                                > > > rule; not
                                > > > a listener arttribute.
                                > >
                                > > TOM: We need a second listener
because we can't have two
                                > certificates
                                > > with different common names
listening on the same listener using the
                                > > same IP address. OK, in ISA 2006 I
*can* use multiple
                                > > certificates using
                                > > the same listener, but each of the
certificates must be
                                > assigned to a
                                > > different IP address, so no big deal
there -- so I create two
                                > > different
                                > > Web Publishing Rules -- one for
owa.msfirewall.org and a second Web
                                > > Publishing Rule for
autodiscover.msfirewall.org. So far so
                                > > good and SANs
                                > > aren't even an issue.
                                > >
                                > > > Q2 - why does the external OL
client give a rats bahootie
                                > > > what's listed
                                > > > in the cert used at the CAS?  It
never sees it.
                                > >
                                > > TOM: That's true and I didn't mean
to imply that it did. The
                                > > concern is
                                > > that common name and the first SAN
on the Web site
                                > > certificate bound to
                                > > the Client Access Server site is
owa.msfirewall.org. The
                                > second SAN is
                                > > autodiscover.msfirewall.org
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > > Q3 - why is the lack of the
autodiscover.suffix public
                                > name make the
                                > > > /autodiscover path "useless"?
"Incomplete" perhaps, but
                                > > > hardly useless.
                                > >
                                > > TOM: Because the OWA publishing rule
is listening for
                                > > owa.msfirewall.org, NOT
autodiscover.msfirewall.org. Since
                                > > there are two
                                > > certificates involved here, one with
the common name
                                > > owa.msfirewall.org
                                > > and a second with
autodiscover.msfirewall.org -- we have to use two
                                > > different IP addresses, and
owa.msfirewall.org is NOT going
                                > to resolve
                                > > to the same IP address as
autodiscover.msfirewall.org. Thus,
                                > > adding the
                                > > /autodiscover path to the
owa.msfirewall.org Web Publishing
                                > Rule won't
                                > > work and is extraneous. The
/autodiscover path only applies to the
                                > > autodiscover.msfirewall.org Web
Publishing Rule.
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > > IOW, create your SRV and A records
for autodiscover.suffix, add
                                > > > "autodiscover.suffix" to the
public names (ISA 2006 only) and
                                > > > make sure
                                > > > the cert used in the ISA web
listener includes
                                > > > "autodiscover.suffix" in
                                > > > the SAN.
                                > >
                                > > Again, the issue isn't with the Web
listeners, I have no
                                > problem with
                                > > that. The issue is with the
connection between the ISA
                                > > Firewall and the
                                > > Client Access Server. The Web site
certificate bound to the Client
                                > > Access Server has a common name and
a first SAN name of
                                > > owa.msfirewall.org and a second SAN
name of
                                > > autodiscover.msfirewall.org.
                                > >
                                > > Given that, the Web Publishing Rule
that is publishing the
                                > >
autodiscover.msfirewall.org/autodiscover path must be
                                > > configured on the
                                > > TO tab to use
autodiscover.msfirewall.org -- HOWEVER, and
                                > this is THE
                                > > QUESTION -- with the ISA Firewall
when establishing the SSL channel
                                > > between itself and the Client Access
Server, be able to use
                                > the SECOND
                                > > SAN on the Client Access Server Web
site certificate to allow the
                                > > connection?
                                > >
                                > > Make sense?
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Jim
                                > > >
                                > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > > > [
mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
                                > > > On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
                                > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
11:33 AM
                                > > > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > > > Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN
Certs
                                > > >
                                > > > This is a good step in
understanding some of the issues,
                                > > but I suspect
                                > > > the major problems people are
running into relates to
                                > publishing the
                                > > > autodisocvery site. You'll notice
that when you run the Exchange
                                > > > Publishing Wizard in ISA 2006 that
is includes an
                                > > /autodiscover path,
                                > > > which is completely useless, since
the client is looking for
                                > > >
autodiscover.domain.com/autodiscover and not the Client
                                > > Access Server
                                > > > Public Name, which would be
something like owa.domain.com.
                                > > >
                                > > > OK, easy problem to solve, right?
All we need to do is
                                > > create a second
                                > > > Web listener on a second IP
address and configure it to listen for
                                > > > public name
autodiscover.company.com.  HOWEVER, the Client Access
                                > > > Server's common/subject name and
first SAN is owa.company.com. The
                                > > > second SAN is
autodiscover.company.com.
                                > > >
                                > > > So, if we put on the TO tab
autodiscover.company.com, will
                                > > ISA 2006 be
                                > > > able to "consume" the second SAN
to support to the Outlook 2007
                                > > > autodiscovery service?
                                > > >
                                > > > Thanks!
                                > > > Tom
                                > > >
                                > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
                                > > > Site: www.isaserver.org
                                > > > Blog:=3D20
http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
                                > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
                                > > > MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
                                > > >
                                > > >=3D20
                                > > >
                                > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > > From:
isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > > > > [
mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
                                > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007
1:10 PM
                                > > > > To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                > > > > Subject: [isapros] ISA and SAN
Certs
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Another isablog for your reading
pleasure.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >=3D20
http://blogs.technet.com/isablog/archive/2007/08/29/certificat
                                > > > > es-with-mu
                                > > > >
ltiple-san-entries-may-break-isa-server-web-publishing.aspx
                                > > > >
                                > > > > All mail to and from this domain
is GFI-scanned.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > All mail to and from this domain
is GFI-scanned.
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > All mail to and from this domain is
GFI-scanned.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                >
                                >
                                > All mail to and from this domain is
GFI-scanned.
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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Probably semantics, but I am doing it with three =3D
rules:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoListParagraph style=3D3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 =
=3D
level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style=3D3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style=3D3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New =3D
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>1 for OWA using NTLM delegation =3D
(/OWA/*)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoListParagraph style=3D3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 =
=3D
level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style=3D3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style=3D3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New =3D
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>1 for OWA Legacy Folders using Basic delegation =3D
(/Exhange/* /publix/*
etc)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoListParagraph style=3D3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 =
=3D
level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span
style=3D3D'mso-list:Ignore'>&middot;<span style=3D3D'font:7.0pt "Times =
New =3D
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>1 for all other Exchange connectivity using Basic =3D
delegation
(/rpc/* /autodiscover/* etc)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The other thing you need to check is that the right
authentication types are defined for the Exchange virtual directories on
=3D
the
CAS. One that caught me out was adding basic to the EWS virtual =3D
directory&#8230;ISA
nicely logs this in monitoring though as a delegation failure =3D
</span><span
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span>=
<
s=3D
pan
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
9
7=3D
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>All rules use the same =3D
listener&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yep I agree about the /autodiscover as part the wizard, =
=3D
not sure
this is included&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Confused about the SRV solving all the issues &#8211; can
=3D
you
elaborate?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>JJ<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><b><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:gray'>Jason Jones</span></b><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> | Security | Silversands Limited | =3D
Desk: +44
(0)1202 360489 | Mobile: +44 (0)7971 500312 | Email:
jason.jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</span><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span>
<=3D
/p>

</div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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=3D
0cm 0cm 0cm'>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas W =3D
Shinder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 31 August 2007 14:42<br>
<b>To:</b> isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Hi Jason,</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>OK, that makes perfect sense and it's the scenario I'm =3D
testing
today. One listener, one rule for Outlook Anywhere and one rule for
Autodiscovery, correct?</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>So I was right that you can't use the /AutoDiscover path =3D
that is
included in the Outlook Anywhere rule since the Outlook Anywhere rule =
=3D
doesn't
respond to the public name autodiscover.domain.com. The Outlook =3D
Autodiscover
rule would respond to autodiscover.domain.com and forward to the =3D
/AutoDiscover
path.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>The SRV record solution will solve ALL of this complexity =
=3D
because
it will bypass the need for a second URL and second IP address and =3D
second certificate.
However, its a hotfix that you have to call PSS to download and will be
included with Office 2007 SP1.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Tom</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p><b><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =3D
MS","sans-serif"'>Thomas
W Shinder, M.D.<br>
Site:<span style=3D3D'color:blue'> <u><a =3D
href=3D3D"http://www.isaserver.org/";
title=3D3D"http://www.isaserver.org/";>www.isaserver.org</a></u></span><br=
>
Blog:<span style=3D3D'color:blue'> <u><a =3D
href=3D3D"http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/";
title=3D3D"http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/";>http://blogs.isaserver.o=
r
g=3D
/shinder/</a></u></span><br>
<span style=3D3D'color:#004000'>Book:</span> <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";
title=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";>http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7</a><br>
MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

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1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt
'=3D
>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<div class=3D3DMsoNormal align=3D3Dcenter =
style=3D3D'text-align:center'><span
=3D
lang=3D3DEN-US>

<hr size=3D3D2 width=3D3D"100%" align=3D3Dcenter>

</span></div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =3D
lang=3D3DEN-US
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</spa=
n
>=3D
</b><span
lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On
=3D
Behalf
Of </b>Jason Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 31, 2007 8:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs</span><span =3D
lang=3D3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yep &#8211; one listener, two IPs, each IP assigned a =3D
different
SSL cert.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Not sure if the SRV record will negate the need for the
autodiscover URL and hence allow us to get away with a single SSL cert =
=3D
&#8211;
have to check this&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div style=3D3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
=3D
0cm 0cm 0cm'>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas W Shinder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 31 August 2007 14:13<br>
<b>To:</b> isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Hi Jason,</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>One Web listener, but two IP addresses are being used by the
=3D
Web
listener, correct?</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Tom</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p><b><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =3D
MS","sans-serif"'>Thomas
W Shinder, M.D.<br>
Site:<span style=3D3D'color:blue'> <u><a =3D
href=3D3D"http://www.isaserver.org/";
title=3D3D"http://www.isaserver.org/";>www.isaserver.org</a></u></span><br=
>
Blog:<span style=3D3D'color:blue'> <u><a =3D
href=3D3D"http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/";
title=3D3D"http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/";>http://blogs.isaserver.o=
r
g=3D
/shinder/</a></u></span><br>
<span style=3D3D'color:#004000'>Book:</span> <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";
title=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";>http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7</a><br>
MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<blockquote style=3D3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue =3D
1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt
'=3D
>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<div class=3D3DMsoNormal align=3D3Dcenter =
style=3D3D'text-align:center'><span
=3D
lang=3D3DEN-US>

<hr size=3D3D2 width=3D3D"100%" align=3D3Dcenter>

</span></div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =3D
lang=3D3DEN-US
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</spa=
n
>=3D
</b><span
lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On
=3D
Behalf
Of </b>Jason Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 31, 2007 6:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs</span><span =3D
lang=3D3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Tom,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Managed to get this working today too, although I am =3D
using two
individual certs on the same external web listener. The internal cert on
Exchange is SAN&#8217;d up and ISA publishes everything to the internal
=3D
cert
common name irrespective of the public URL.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The key to most of it working is defining correct URLs in
Exchange where is defines &#8220;External URLs&#8221; for things like =
=3D
OOF, OAB,
EWS etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Now we have all exchange 2k7 services (and all the new =
=3D
funky
stuff) working externally&#8230;had to do a lot of it by investigation =
=3D
and
cobbling blog entries together, not ideal, but go there at =3D
last.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We currently have it working without SRV records, but =3D
just
waiting for the ISP to add these records to test if that is a better
solution&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>JJ<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div style=3D3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
=3D
0cm 0cm 0cm'>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas W =3D
Shinder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 31 August 2007 00:32<br>
<b>To:</b> isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I'd think that Jim might need to update his SAN article. The
article implies that ISA doesn't support SANs on the Web listener, =3D
however I
have a guy who has the autodiscover FQDN as a second SAN on the =3D
certificate
bound to his Web listener and he's shown me strong evidence that it =3D
actually
works, even though it shouldn't.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I wish the Exchange or ISA UE teams could get it together to
explain how to get autodiscovery working correctly and more importantly,
=3D
show
us how it works with and without DNS SRV records. It looks like once you
=3D
have
DNS SRV records, its a no brainer. </span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Tom</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p><b><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =3D
MS","sans-serif"'>Thomas
W Shinder, M.D.<br>
Site:<span style=3D3D'color:blue'> <u><a =3D
href=3D3D"http://www.isaserver.org/";
title=3D3D"http://www.isaserver.org/";>www.isaserver.org</a></u></span><br=
>
Blog:<span style=3D3D'color:blue'> <u><a =3D
href=3D3D"http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/";
title=3D3D"http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/";>http://blogs.isaserver.o=
r
g=3D
/shinder/</a></u></span><br>
<span style=3D3D'color:#004000'>Book:</span> <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";
title=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";>http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7</a><br>
MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>

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1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt
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>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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style=3D3D'text-align:center'><span
=3D
lang=3D3DEN-US>

<hr size=3D3D2 width=3D3D"100%" align=3D3Dcenter>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =3D
lang=3D3DEN-US
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</spa=
n
>=3D
</b><span
lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On
=3D
Behalf
Of </b>Thomas W Shinder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs</span><span =3D
lang=3D3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Never mind :)</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I found it:</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'><a =3D
href=3D3D"http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940881";>http://support.microsof=
t
.=3D
com/kb/940881</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>

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</div>

<p><b><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =3D
MS","sans-serif"'>Thomas
W Shinder, M.D.<br>
Site:<span style=3D3D'color:blue'> <u><a =3D
href=3D3D"http://www.isaserver.org/";
title=3D3D"http://www.isaserver.org/";>www.isaserver.org</a></u></span><br=
>
Blog:<span style=3D3D'color:blue'> <u><a =3D
href=3D3D"http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/";
title=3D3D"http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/";>http://blogs.isaserver.o=
r
g=3D
/shinder/</a></u></span><br>
<span style=3D3D'color:#004000'>Book:</span> <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";
title=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";>http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7</a><br>
MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>

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<blockquote style=3D3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue =3D
1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt
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>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<div class=3D3DMsoNormal align=3D3Dcenter =
style=3D3D'text-align:center'><span
=3D
lang=3D3DEN-US>

<hr size=3D3D2 width=3D3D"100%" align=3D3Dcenter>

</span></div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =3D
lang=3D3DEN-US
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</spa=
n
>=3D
</b><span
lang=3D3DEN-US =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] <b>On
=3D
Behalf
Of </b>Thomas W Shinder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs</span><span =3D
lang=3D3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>OK, that's an interesting sentence in a KB OL update =3D
article. But
there's no mention of this anywhere else on the ms.com =3D
site.</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>In addition, how do we configure the SRV =3D
records?</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Service?</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Protocol?</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Priority?</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Weight?</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Port number?</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Host offering this service?</span><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><img border=3D3D0 width=3D3D404 height=3D3D448 =
=3D
id=3D3D"_x0000_i1027"
src=3D3D"cid:image001.jpg@01C7EBDE.77399D00"><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I try to read minds best as I can, but I'm flailing on this
=3D
one :))</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D
style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

</div>

<p><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thomas W Shinder, M.D.<br>
Site: www.isaserver.org<br>
Blog: <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/";>http://blogs.isaserver.org=
/
s=3D
hinder/</a><br>
Book: <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";>http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7</a><br>
MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; [<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:isapros-bounce@free=
l
i=3D
sts.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Jim Harrison<br>
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:27 PM<br>
&gt; To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; DatzDeWun!&nbsp; O'curse it works in real life; I tested it.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://support.microsoft.com/kb/939184";>http://support.microsof=
t
.=3D
com/kb/939184</a><br>
&gt; OL 2K7 seeks a &quot;autodiscovery&quot; SRV record first, and only
=3D
if<br>
&gt; that fails,<br>
&gt; it'll seek the A record.&nbsp; This is based on the same domain =3D
suffix as<br>
&gt; specified in the mail domain.<br>
&gt; If your OL client is behind a CERN proxy (and it knows it), it =3D
can't<br>
&gt; specify that the proxy should look up a SRV record for<br>
&gt; autodiscover.sfx.<br>
&gt; The proxy assumes that any CERN request will be for a =3D
&quot;host&quot;<br>
&gt; and makes a<br>
&gt; DNS query for an A record.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; OL 2K7 uses the SRV record to discover the host<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; [<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:isapros-bounce@free=
l
i=3D
sts.org</a>]<br>
&gt; On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder<br>
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:15 PM<br>
&gt; To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; BAM!!!!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I think I get it. On the TO tab for the =3D
autodiscover.msfirewall.org, I<br>
&gt; can still use owa.msfirewall.org since it resolves to the same =3D
IP<br>
&gt; address as autodiscover.msfirewall.org on the internal network -- =
=3D
and<br>
&gt; the path is going to /autodiscover, so that's cool. It's all =3D
making<br>
&gt; sense on paper -- now to see if it works in real life :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; BTW -- why do I need a SRV record for OL autodiscovery? I haven't =
=3D
seen<br>
&gt; any documentation on that requirement on the Exchange side.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt; Tom<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thomas W Shinder, M.D.<br>
&gt; Site: www.isaserver.org<br>
&gt; Blog: <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/";>http://blogs.isaserver.org=
/
s=3D
hinder/</a><br>
&gt; Book: <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";>http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7</a><br>
&gt; MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&nbsp;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; &gt; From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; &gt; [<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:isapros-bounce@free=
l
i=3D
sts.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Jim Harrison<br>
&gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:09 PM<br>
&gt; &gt; To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Yes; I'd forgotten about the OL client's &quot;SAN =3D
problem&quot;.<br>
&gt; &gt; It amazed me how much noise the Exch folks make about the =3D
same<br>
&gt; &gt; limitation for ISA..&nbsp; ..but I digress.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &quot;Web Publishing Rule that is publishing the<br>
&gt; &gt; autodiscover.msfirewall.org/autodiscover path must be<br>
&gt; &gt; configured on the<br>
&gt; &gt; TO tab to use autodiscover.msfirewall.org &quot; - how do =3D
you<br>
&gt; cone to that<br>
&gt; &gt; contusion?<br>
&gt; &gt; Why do you think you need to use &quot;autodiscover&quot; in =
=3D
the ISA
rule<br>
&gt; &gt; published hostname?&nbsp; Use whatever works for ISA and let =
=3D
the<br>
&gt; &gt; client be as<br>
&gt; &gt; stupid as you want.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; &gt; From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; &gt; [<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:isapros-bounce@free=
l
i=3D
sts.org</a>]<br>
&gt; &gt; On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder<br>
&gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:05 PM<br>
&gt; &gt; To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Hi Jim,<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; CIL...<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Thomas W Shinder, M.D.<br>
&gt; &gt; Site: www.isaserver.org<br>
&gt; &gt; Blog: <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/";>http://blogs.isaserver.org=
/
s=3D
hinder/</a><br>
&gt; &gt; Book: <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";>http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7</a><br>
&gt; &gt; MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&nbsp;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; [<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:isapros-bounce@free=
l
i=3D
sts.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Jim Harrison<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:49 PM<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; All good points, but really orthogonal to the question of
=3D
how
ISA<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; handles SAN certs.&nbsp; Actually, I wrote that because =
=3D
some
folks were<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; whining about how ISA handled SAN certs in general.&nbsp;
=3D
In<br>
&gt; &gt; fact, I tried<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; not to delve into the variant forms of self-inflicted =3D
ISA<br>
&gt; manglement<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; pain that were filling other blogs.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Q1 - Why do you need a second listener?&nbsp; Use your =
=3D
DNS to
point<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; autodiscover to the same Exch listener.&nbsp; The public
=3D
name is
a<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; rule; not<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; a listener arttribute.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; TOM: We need a second listener because we can't have two<br>
&gt; certificates<br>
&gt; &gt; with different common names listening on the same listener =3D
using the<br>
&gt; &gt; same IP address. OK, in ISA 2006 I *can* use multiple<br>
&gt; &gt; certificates using<br>
&gt; &gt; the same listener, but each of the certificates must be<br>
&gt; assigned to a<br>
&gt; &gt; different IP address, so no big deal there -- so I create =3D
two<br>
&gt; &gt; different<br>
&gt; &gt; Web Publishing Rules -- one for owa.msfirewall.org and a =3D
second Web<br>
&gt; &gt; Publishing Rule for autodiscover.msfirewall.org. So far so<br>
&gt; &gt; good and SANs<br>
&gt; &gt; aren't even an issue.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Q2 - why does the external OL client give a rats =3D
bahootie<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; what's listed<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; in the cert used at the CAS?&nbsp; It never sees it.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; TOM: That's true and I didn't mean to imply that it did. =3D
The<br>
&gt; &gt; concern is<br>
&gt; &gt; that common name and the first SAN on the Web site<br>
&gt; &gt; certificate bound to<br>
&gt; &gt; the Client Access Server site is owa.msfirewall.org. The<br>
&gt; second SAN is<br>
&gt; &gt; autodiscover.msfirewall.org<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Q3 - why is the lack of the autodiscover.suffix =3D
public<br>
&gt; name make the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; /autodiscover path &quot;useless&quot;?&nbsp;
&quot;Incomplete&quot; perhaps, but<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; hardly useless.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; TOM: Because the OWA publishing rule is listening for<br>
&gt; &gt; owa.msfirewall.org, NOT autodiscover.msfirewall.org. Since<br>
&gt; &gt; there are two<br>
&gt; &gt; certificates involved here, one with the common name<br>
&gt; &gt; owa.msfirewall.org<br>
&gt; &gt; and a second with autodiscover.msfirewall.org -- we have to =
=3D
use two<br>
&gt; &gt; different IP addresses, and owa.msfirewall.org is NOT =3D
going<br>
&gt; to resolve<br>
&gt; &gt; to the same IP address as autodiscover.msfirewall.org. =3D
Thus,<br>
&gt; &gt; adding the<br>
&gt; &gt; /autodiscover path to the owa.msfirewall.org Web =3D
Publishing<br>
&gt; Rule won't<br>
&gt; &gt; work and is extraneous. The /autodiscover path only applies to
=3D
the<br>
&gt; &gt; autodiscover.msfirewall.org Web Publishing Rule.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; IOW, create your SRV and A records for =3D
autodiscover.suffix, add<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;autodiscover.suffix&quot; to the public names (ISA
=3D
2006
only) and<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; make sure<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; the cert used in the ISA web listener includes<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;autodiscover.suffix&quot; in<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; the SAN.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Again, the issue isn't with the Web listeners, I have no<br>
&gt; problem with<br>
&gt; &gt; that. The issue is with the connection between the ISA<br>
&gt; &gt; Firewall and the<br>
&gt; &gt; Client Access Server. The Web site certificate bound to the =
=3D
Client<br>
&gt; &gt; Access Server has a common name and a first SAN name of<br>
&gt; &gt; owa.msfirewall.org and a second SAN name of<br>
&gt; &gt; autodiscover.msfirewall.org.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Given that, the Web Publishing Rule that is publishing the<br>
&gt; &gt; autodiscover.msfirewall.org/autodiscover path must be<br>
&gt; &gt; configured on the<br>
&gt; &gt; TO tab to use autodiscover.msfirewall.org -- HOWEVER, and<br>
&gt; this is THE<br>
&gt; &gt; QUESTION -- with the ISA Firewall when establishing the SSL =
=3D
channel<br>
&gt; &gt; between itself and the Client Access Server, be able to =3D
use<br>
&gt; the SECOND<br>
&gt; &gt; SAN on the Client Access Server Web site certificate to allow
=3D
the<br>
&gt; &gt; connection?<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Make sense?<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Jim<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; [<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:isapros-bounce@free=
l
i=3D
sts.org</a>]<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:33 AM<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA and SAN Certs<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; This is a good step in understanding some of the =3D
issues,<br>
&gt; &gt; but I suspect<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; the major problems people are running into relates to<br>
&gt; publishing the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; autodisocvery site. You'll notice that when you run the =
=3D
Exchange<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Publishing Wizard in ISA 2006 that is includes an<br>
&gt; &gt; /autodiscover path,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; which is completely useless, since the client is looking
=3D
for<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; autodiscover.domain.com/autodiscover and not the =3D
Client<br>
&gt; &gt; Access Server<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Public Name, which would be something like =3D
owa.domain.com.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; OK, easy problem to solve, right? All we need to do =3D
is<br>
&gt; &gt; create a second<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Web listener on a second IP address and configure it to =
=3D
listen
for<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; public name autodiscover.company.com.&nbsp; HOWEVER, the
=3D
Client
Access<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Server's common/subject name and first SAN is =3D
owa.company.com.
The<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; second SAN is autodiscover.company.com.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; So, if we put on the TO tab autodiscover.company.com, =3D
will<br>
&gt; &gt; ISA 2006 be<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; able to &quot;consume&quot; the second SAN to support to
=3D
the
Outlook 2007<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; autodiscovery service?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Tom<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Thomas W Shinder, M.D.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Site: www.isaserver.org<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Blog: <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/";>http://blogs.isaserver.org=
/
s=3D
hinder/</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Book: <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7";>http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; [<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:isapros-bounce@free=
l
i=3D
sts.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Jim Harrison<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:10 PM<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [isapros] ISA and SAN Certs<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Another isablog for your reading pleasure.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a
href=3D3D"http://blogs.technet.com/isablog/archive/2007/08/29/certificat"=
>
h=3D
ttp://blogs.technet.com/isablog/archive/2007/08/29/certificat</a><br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; es-with-mu<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =3D
ltiple-san-entries-may-break-isa-server-web-publishing.aspx<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; All mail to and from this domain is GFI-scanned.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; All mail to and from this domain is GFI-scanned.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; All mail to and from this domain is GFI-scanned.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; All mail to and from this domain is GFI-scanned.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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