[isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

From: "Greg Mulholland" <gmulholland@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:59:50 +1000

You said it tho.... you dont/cant do any of your normal work related stuff on it.

I dont know Tom's take on it but i find that the majority of my time on the pc is work not play, or play for work purposes. If im not doing one of those things im not on the pc and have no real desire to be. I made a decision a little while ago to claim back some of my life.

So while i dont discount that Mac works for you and for others in some ways (i deal with them at work too) i have no need or desire, nor have i seen anything in my experience with them to make me think it would be cool to play with or worthy of my time.

Plus the more i see other OS's the more i appreciate the sh1t MS must go through to get a workable/stable/secure/SUPPORTED OS thats acceptable to the masses.

Just my 2c

Greg

----- Original Message ----- From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

I know. But you are right to feel that way-- you got "iMac'd." I believe that if you did it "right," you'd have a totally different experience. My PowerBook G4 17" latptop is just beautiful. It is perfect in its simplicity and operation. Everything is "natural." I'll be working along in my "thinking chair" and as the gloaming approaches, she perceives the reduction in light and automatically activates her back-lit keyboard in a slow fade-up to perfectly illuminate the keyboard in a very warm, pleasing way. I can say "What time is it?" and she answers readily. Multiple network connections work flawlessly every time. Bluetooth, LAN, 802.11g, whatever. Just works. Never any "hmmm, why am not connected?" stuff. I run XP on it just fine (ISA as well ;).

Spotlight search finds everything instantly. Search for something, and it shows you all filenames, contents of documents, contacts, configurations, even email messages that contain what you are looking for in an immediate retrieval list. Want to install a program? Drag it to "applications." Done. Want it gone? Delete it. Done. Buy a new Mac and want everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) copied over? Point to your old Mac and account during install, and it's there. Done. No wondering what settings got copied to what and where and when. There is a definite benefit to the hardware and OS coming from the same people.

And I can run all my cool Hax0r t001z on it ;) But again, to me, it's only for "personal" use. I don't/can't do any of my "real world" business operations on her, and to be honest, I don't want to.

Vista will be the best of both worlds, but not immediately. The benefit to Vista will be security. Microsoft users are aware of security issues, and have learned to "look out" for things. They are more educated in the "real world" of security issues. More and more people are going to Mac's for personal use, but I fear that they become "smug" in their outlook on security. No anti-virus, no firewall, nothing. (OSX ships with the firewall turned off.) There are *many* exploits for the Mac-- people just don't know about it. I think there will be a rude awakening for Apple and Apple users here in the near future.

Anyway, more to say, but I got other things to do. ;)


On 7/17/06 7:00 PM, "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to
all:

I'm just bitter after my OSX betrayed me.

Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
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MVP -- ISA Firewalls

-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor
(Hammer of God)
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:56 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

I *use* each one several hours a piece every day of the week.
(I'm a Vista
Beta-boy too ;)  It all depends on what you want to get done.  From a
"Mac-to-Mac" standpoint, there are things like "Apple Remote
Desktop" that
make Remote Desktop look like PCAnywhereIII.  I really wish
there was an XP
client for ARD rather than just VNC...  There are many things
about OSX that
I really, really like -- but those are all from a "personal"
user experience
standpoint.  That being said, running Vista on my dual,
dual-core opteron
2.8's with dual Geforce 7800GTX's in SLI mode is the "Ass Meringue."

Visual Studio 2005 with SQL2005 is superfly.

It's all what you want to do, and how you want to do it.
Right tool for the
right job.


On 7/17/06 6:42 PM, "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
spoketh to
all:

Hey, I've seen both the OSX hork interface and the Vista

interface (I'm

not brave enough to run it, but Debi is running it full

time) and I'd

say that the OSX UI is Windows 3.1 compared to the Vista

UI. Plus, you

can actually get read work done in Vista, which you can't

do on a fanboy

Crapple box.

Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
MVP -- ISA Firewalls

-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor
(Hammer of God)
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:36 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

It's what Microsoft modeled "Vista" after.  <bfg>


On 7/17/06 6:32 PM, "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
spoketh to
all:

What's an OSX?

Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
MVP -- ISA Firewalls

-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor
(Hammer of God)
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:28 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

No log on locally anymore.  He actually limited the machine
she could log on
from....

Sent from Entourage on OSX via VNC window from my XP box that
I'm RDP'd into
from my new Dell 2650's that I'm putting in the freaking

laundry room.

(Aincha jealous?) :-pppppppp


On 7/17/06 6:22 PM, "Greg Mulholland"
<gmulholland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to
all:

so it was log on locally then?
btw office 12 is good, vista i'll wait and see, so no not

really :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

Got it.
I had limited her machine logon rights to one machine.
Once I gave her "all machines", she could get her mail.

I guess this also stops impersonation <sigh>.

Jim Harrison
jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx
www.isatools.org

Sent  using Vista Beta 2 and Office 12 Beta 2 (aincha jealous?)


-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:14 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

OK, got it.

Anything in the Event Viewer around the time you made

the change?


Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
MVP -- ISA Firewalls

-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of

Jim Harrison

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:08 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

Exchange; it don't matter if ISA is involved or not.

Jim Harrison
jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx
www.isatools.org

Sent using Vista Beta 2 and Office 12 Beta 2 (aincha

jealous?)


-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:03 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

I'm just trying to figure out if it's an Exchange thang

or an ISA

thang.

Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
MVP -- ISA Firewalls

-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of

Jim Harrison

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:01 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

None of those deal in single-user problems.
Neither me nor my wife have any problems with OWA - only my
daughter...


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-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg

Mulholland

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 16:33
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

seen this one jim?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327843/en-us


----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:29 AM
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

OK, it's not working internally and externally, and you've

configured

a split DNS so that internal users aren't looping back

through the

external interface so that internal users are using

Direct Access

(just so that we remove the ISA firewall from the equation).

Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
MVP -- ISA Firewalls

-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of

Jim Harrison

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:18 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
That's what I thought I did, but checking Exch

permissions, it's

enabled.


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-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas

W Shinder

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 16:11
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

OK, you might have turned off her account's access to OWA.

Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
MVP -- ISA Firewalls

-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of

Jim Harrison

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:10 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q

No; doesn't work from in or out, but MAPI works fine.


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-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of

Steve Moffat

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 15:58
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
She can log in from outlook internally?..did you disable

her mailbox?

-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of

Jim Harrison

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:06 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Exch permissions Q
My turn to ask...
I disabled my daughter's OWA access while she was in

school because

the raging dumba$$3$ in your school let the kids veg on the
Internet
all freakin' day (different issue).
Now that she's actually gradumatated, I want to re-enable

it, but I

can't make it work.
Of course, I don't know what I did, yasilly; or else I

wouldn't be

asking.
ISA policies allow her to log in, but the OWA page keeps

regurgitating

"401.1".
401.1 is supposed to be "invalid credentials", but

I know the

username/password are correct.
I've checked her Exch permissions, and they seem fine

(same as mine

for her mailbox).

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