[isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
- From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:48:28 -0700
I know. But you are right to feel that way-- you got "iMac'd." I believe
that if you did it "right," you'd have a totally different experience. My
PowerBook G4 17" latptop is just beautiful. It is perfect in its simplicity
and operation. Everything is "natural." I'll be working along in my
"thinking chair" and as the gloaming approaches, she perceives the reduction
in light and automatically activates her back-lit keyboard in a slow fade-up
to perfectly illuminate the keyboard in a very warm, pleasing way. I can
say "What time is it?" and she answers readily. Multiple network
connections work flawlessly every time. Bluetooth, LAN, 802.11g, whatever.
Just works. Never any "hmmm, why am not connected?" stuff. I run XP on it
just fine (ISA as well ;).
Spotlight search finds everything instantly. Search for something, and it
shows you all filenames, contents of documents, contacts, configurations,
even email messages that contain what you are looking for in an immediate
retrieval list. Want to install a program? Drag it to "applications."
Done. Want it gone? Delete it. Done. Buy a new Mac and want everything
(and I mean EVERYTHING) copied over? Point to your old Mac and account
during install, and it's there. Done. No wondering what settings got copied
to what and where and when. There is a definite benefit to the hardware and
OS coming from the same people.
And I can run all my cool Hax0r t001z on it ;) But again, to me, it's only
for "personal" use. I don't/can't do any of my "real world" business
operations on her, and to be honest, I don't want to.
Vista will be the best of both worlds, but not immediately. The benefit to
Vista will be security. Microsoft users are aware of security issues, and
have learned to "look out" for things. They are more educated in the "real
world" of security issues. More and more people are going to Mac's for
personal use, but I fear that they become "smug" in their outlook on
security. No anti-virus, no firewall, nothing. (OSX ships with the firewall
turned off.) There are *many* exploits for the Mac-- people just don't know
about it. I think there will be a rude awakening for Apple and Apple users
here in the near future.
Anyway, more to say, but I got other things to do. ;)
t
On 7/17/06 7:00 PM, "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to
all:
> I'm just bitter after my OSX betrayed me.
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> Site: www.isaserver.org
> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor
>> (Hammer of God)
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:56 PM
>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>
>> I *use* each one several hours a piece every day of the week.
>> (I'm a Vista
>> Beta-boy too ;) It all depends on what you want to get done. From a
>> "Mac-to-Mac" standpoint, there are things like "Apple Remote
>> Desktop" that
>> make Remote Desktop look like PCAnywhereIII. I really wish
>> there was an XP
>> client for ARD rather than just VNC... There are many things
>> about OSX that
>> I really, really like -- but those are all from a "personal"
>> user experience
>> standpoint. That being said, running Vista on my dual,
>> dual-core opteron
>> 2.8's with dual Geforce 7800GTX's in SLI mode is the "Ass Meringue."
>>
>> Visual Studio 2005 with SQL2005 is superfly.
>>
>> It's all what you want to do, and how you want to do it.
>> Right tool for the
>> right job.
>>
>> t
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/06 6:42 PM, "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> spoketh to
>> all:
>>
>>> Hey, I've seen both the OSX hork interface and the Vista
>> interface (I'm
>>> not brave enough to run it, but Debi is running it full
>> time) and I'd
>>> say that the OSX UI is Windows 3.1 compared to the Vista
>> UI. Plus, you
>>> can actually get read work done in Vista, which you can't
>> do on a fanboy
>>> Crapple box.
>>>
>>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>>> Site: www.isaserver.org
>>> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>>> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor
>>>> (Hammer of God)
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:36 PM
>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>
>>>> It's what Microsoft modeled "Vista" after. <bfg>
>>>>
>>>> t
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/17/06 6:32 PM, "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> spoketh to
>>>> all:
>>>>
>>>>> What's an OSX?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>>>>> Site: www.isaserver.org
>>>>> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>>>>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>>>>> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor
>>>>>> (Hammer of God)
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:28 PM
>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No log on locally anymore. He actually limited the machine
>>>>>> she could log on
>>>>>> from....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> T
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Entourage on OSX via VNC window from my XP box that
>>>>>> I'm RDP'd into
>>>>>> from my new Dell 2650's that I'm putting in the freaking
>>>> laundry room.
>>>>>> (Aincha jealous?) :-pppppppp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> t
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/17/06 6:22 PM, "Greg Mulholland"
>>>>>> <gmulholland@xxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to
>>>>>> all:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so it was log on locally then?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> btw office 12 is good, vista i'll wait and see, so no not
>>>> really :)
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:17 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Got it.
>>>>>>>> I had limited her machine logon rights to one machine.
>>>>>>>> Once I gave her "all machines", she could get her mail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess this also stops impersonation <sigh>.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>> jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> www.isatools.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent using Vista Beta 2 and Office 12 Beta 2 (aincha jealous?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:14 PM
>>>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, got it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anything in the Event Viewer around the time you made
>> the change?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>>>>>>>> Site: www.isaserver.org
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>>>>>>>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>>>>>>>> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:08 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Exchange; it don't matter if ISA is involved or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>>> jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> www.isatools.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent using Vista Beta 2 and Office 12 Beta 2 (aincha
>> jealous?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:03 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm just trying to figure out if it's an Exchange thang
>>>> or an ISA
>>>>>>>>> thang.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>>>>>>>>> Site: www.isaserver.org
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>>>>>>>>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>>>>>>>>> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> None of those deal in single-user problems.
>>>>>>>>>> Neither me nor my wife have any problems with OWA - only my
>>>>>>>>>> daughter...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>>>> MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
>>>>>>>>>> http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
>>>>>>>>>> http://isatools.org
>>>>>>>>>> Read the help / books / articles!
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg
>>>>>> Mulholland
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 16:33
>>>>>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> seen this one jim?
>>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327843/en-us
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:29 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, it's not working internally and externally, and you've
>>>>>>>>> configured
>>>>>>>>>> a split DNS so that internal users aren't looping back
>>>>>> through the
>>>>>>>>>> external interface so that internal users are using
>>>> Direct Access
>>>>>>>>>> (just so that we remove the ISA firewall from the equation).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>>>>>>>>>> Site: www.isaserver.org
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>>>>>>>>>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>>>>>>>>>> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's what I thought I did, but checking Exch
>>>> permissions, it's
>>>>>>>>>>> enabled.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>>>>> MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
>>>>>>>>>>> http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
>>>>>>>>>>> http://isatools.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Read the help / books / articles!
>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas
>>>>>>>>> W Shinder
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 16:11
>>>>>>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, you might have turned off her account's access to OWA.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>>>>>>>>>>> Site: www.isaserver.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>>>>>>>>>>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>>>>>>>>>>> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No; doesn't work from in or out, but MAPI works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>>>>>> MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://isatools.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Read the help / books / articles!
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>> Steve Moffat
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 15:58
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> She can log in from outlook internally?..did you disable
>>>>>>>>>>> her mailbox?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> S
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [isapros] Exch permissions Q
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My turn to ask...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I disabled my daughter's OWA access while she was in
>>>>>>>>>> school because
>>>>>>>>>>>> the raging dumba$$3$ in your school let the kids veg on the
>>>>>>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>>>>>>> all freakin' day (different issue).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that she's actually gradumatated, I want to re-enable
>>>>>>>>>> it, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't make it work.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, I don't know what I did, yasilly; or else I
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be
>>>>>>>>>>>> asking.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ISA policies allow her to log in, but the OWA page keeps
>>>>>>>>>>> regurgitating
>>>>>>>>>>>> "401.1".
>>>>>>>>>>>> 401.1 is supposed to be "invalid credentials", but
>> I know the
>>>>>>>>>>>> username/password are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've checked her Exch permissions, and they seem fine
>>>>>>>>>> (same as mine
>>>>>>>>>>>> for her mailbox).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>>>>>>>>>> MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://isatools.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Read the help / books / articles!
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
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