In a trace route, I don't even get 1 hop. Everything fails. I feel like it's something simple... my local network is 172.16.10.0, 255.255.0.0 with the ISA as gateway (172.16.10.1) my remote network is 172.16.11.0, 255.255.0.0 with the remote ISA (172.16.11.1) as gateway. I dont know what you mean for the routes. Here is the routing table of the local VPN server http://www.virtualpublic.com/table.txt Please let me know if you can see anything wrong! I am trying to sit at PC 172.16.10.53 and ping 172.16.11.50... Andrew Myers VPN Incorporated (937) 704-0591 ext. 202