Thor is one of those folks who chooses to use his prodigous powers for good. He reminds me of a guy in my last team; "scary-smart"... You put him and the Litchfields in the same bar and class is in session... Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:06:06 -0700 "John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)" <johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.ISAserver.org Not completely. ;-)> (Just Kidding) John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You > -----Original Message----- > From: Thor [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:51 PM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page? > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Hopefully I didn't come off as a *complete* jerk about that ;) > > t > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:20 PM > Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page? > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Thor waves his mighty hammer. I'm more the nurturing type. I think of it > as nurturing the small business network and have written articles > referring to it that way. I start by fixing a few things that no one > else has been able to fix for them. Now, they trust me. Next, we talk > about their wish list. To implement the wish list you are going to need > X hardware and X software. I don't work with pirated software so if you > want to do business with me the first thing you have to do is get legal. > Getting legal usually means new versions of the software, which usually > means new hardware to run it on. Where's the backup of your data? What > if that machine dies? Have you ever had a computer die? Yes? This gets > things rolling in the right direction. It's a slow moving ball at first > but it picks up speed. > > Amy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thor [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:03 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page? > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > I tend to take a hard line with my clients... I just tell them that > there is > a right way and a wrong way to do things, and that if they want to do it > the > wrong way, then I tell them to get someone else to do it. I used to > try > the "I can't be responsible for what happens" line, but if they are my > client, I am responsible. It is easier to walk than to have to deal > with > other people's screw ups. > > Also, even when they cry poor mouth loudly, taking them for a ride and > showing them that I can access all their accounting data (indeed, *all* > other data, too) from my truck while parked behind a coffee shop tends > to > open up their eyes a bit. Normally, they say- "The guy who set this up > was > really good, and he said it was all perfectly secure." And I say, "Not > withstanding the expertise of the technician or the presumed security > posture of your network, I *am* sitting in a shell on your server as > admin. > See that? 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