I've heard of SMB Nation and would love to go but can't justify the cost. For a 2 person consulting businesses these events are pretty pricey. ________________________________ From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wed 8/4/2004 9:10 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page? http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Amy, You know, I go both ways on this (OK Jim and Thor, no jokes here). I really have a much greater kinship with these small businesses and like working with them much more than the "big guys" who have swallowed the PIX/Netscreem Bsology hook, line and sinker. I'm going to have to rethink my approach to this subject, as it would be a good way to introduce them to the power and flexibility of the ISA firewall software and when they get bigger, they'll be a position to use dedicated ISA powered hardware firewall (like that Jim, 'hardware firewalls' :-)) I was seriously considering not including any of these scenarios in the upcoming book, because there are a lot of potential gotcha's. However, it sounds like these customers are less interested in being security 'purists' and more interested in having secure remote access and a measure of outbound access control. I'm sure the SBS team will do a bang up job on coming up with some Wizardry for this, but that might be almost a year away, from the sources I have on this issue. BTW -- have you heard of SMB Nation? I'll be talking at their conference next month and still trying to figure out what to say to them :)) Thanks! Tom www.isaserver.org/shinder Get the book! Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004 http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls -----Original Message----- From: Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:21 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: What's wrong with this page? http://www.ISAserver.org Tom, The scenario that I outlined isn't far off when I walk into a new client. I can get them from scary to SBS Premium relatively quickly. But I really think I'm going to run into a road block if I have to convince them that they need 2 servers, when they are managing to run the business without 1 right now. This will leave me with the fall back position of SBS with some cheap-azz firewall with major holes punched through it for remote access and remote access is BIG with small business. These folks put in long hours and would rather put in some of those hours from home. Remote access is THE thing that tips the scale in favor of SBS with small biz owners and gets them to release the funds to create a real network. Only ISA can do that safely. Amy