Re: WEB Proxy service keeps restarting...
- From: "William Robertson" <william.robertson@xxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:26:48 +0200
Thanks Joseph.
With the suggested upgrade of SurfControl I am in any case planning on
eventually moving away from hosting SQL Server on my Firewall.
Thanks for your comments,
Cheers
William R.
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From: JosephK [mailto:josephk@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 14 July 2005 11:21 PM
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Hi William,
What version of ISA are you using? If it's 2004 then you have MSDE
which is a special build for ISA 2004. I'm not sure what happens when
you load a real SQL onto ISA. I've never done it. But, I would guess
that the precautions that the ISA folks built into the MSDE version
would be eroded. And, if you don't keep up to date on the latest SP for
your SQL version you could get hosed. Jim, would know the implications
of that.
Joseph
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From: William Robertson [mailto:william.robertson@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:21 PM
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Soooo, after we've all received the much needed refresher from JK, does
this
mean I have a problem or not??
By now you will have correctly presumed that I have SQL installed on my
firewall (shock shock horror!!!), but I have configured it to use a
different port...
Should I set my SQL server to be "hidden"?? Would that help any??
Cheers
William R.
-----Original Message-----
From: Quillman Shawn (RBNA/CSA1) * [mailto:Shawn.Quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 14 July 2005 10:58 PM
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A'Yup, I'm with you now [opens mouth, inserts leg]. I know some sql
dba's that also need the refresher... Sorry man! I know you're in sql
all the time so I was going back to the docs after getting your retorts!
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-----Original Message-----
From: JosephK [mailto:josephk@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:47 PM
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Hi Shawn,
As a refresher for you to review:
SQL Server establishes a listener service on UDP port 1434 that lets a
client query the server for a list of named instances and their network
configuration information. This listener service always runs on UDP port
1434 and can't be configured to run on another port.
And to remind you the ports that are in use:
1433 tcp ms-sql-s Microsoft-SQL-Server
1433 udp ms-sql-s Microsoft-SQL-Server
1434 tcp ms-sql-m Microsoft-SQL-Monitor
1434 udp ms-sql-m Microsoft-SQL-Monitor
To hide the implementation of SQL on your network you could change the
ports
and make an instance "hidden" in the network libraries. "Hidden"
instance doesn't get published via SQL Server Resolution Service (UDP
1434) but listen on well-known port 2433.
I've also seen people change the port on the client via the system
registry
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSSQLServer\Client\SuperSocketNetLib\Tcp\Default
Port = 3433(or some other port). So with IPSEC policy and only the
folks who know the port number can connect to a special instance you can
have some level of security.
I monitor for this stuff all the time. It helps me when I analysis log
files.
Joseph
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Yes, sql uses TCP/UDP XXX depending on what you set the TCP/IP listener
to. He mentioned slammer, it's common for sql server dba's to change
the listener port to 1434.
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-----Original Message-----
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And I'm talking UDP by the way.
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It does if you switch the sqlserver service to listen on port 1434.
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I agree on the SQL ports. SQL doesn't use UDP 1434.
Joseph
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From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:31 AM
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The next thing to do here is to remove the latest change (i.e., the last
filter added) and see if ISA settles down.
Those UDP:137 packet filter entries are nothing to worry about; just
Windows trying to resolve names (UDP-137 is the NetBIOS name resolver).
The fact that it's using source ports 1433 & 1434 is mere coincidence.
I can't comment on the spoof attacks because you've chosen to obfuscate
the log entries, but unless your ISP is using those IPs on routers,
etc., then the spoof alert is likely true. Are you using those IPs
internally?
-----Original Message-----
From: William Robertson [mailto:william.robertson@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 3:31 AM
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Sorry 'bout that Jim... got too excited with the Application logs.. :)
Packet Filter log shows *many* of the following SPOOF attacks coming in
via
my external interface:
7/13/2005, 8:54:24, 172.16.115.38, <ISA_EXT_IF>, Tcp, 1360, 25, SYN ,
Spoof,
196.37.130.153, -, -
7/13/2005, 10:05:28, 172.25.24.81, <ISA_EXT_IF>, Tcp, 4163, 25, SYN ,
Spoof,
196.37.130.153, -, -
Coupled with this, 90% of my Packet Filter logfile is made up of the
following (SQL Slammer??) attacks?
7/13/2005, 10:05:24, <ISA_EXT_IF>, <INT_NETWORK_IP>, Udp, 1433, 137, -,
BLOCKED, <ISA_EXT_IF>, -, -
7/13/2005, 10:05:24, <ISA_EXT_IF>, <INT_NETWORK_IP>, Udp, 1434, 137, -,
BLOCKED, <ISA_EXT_IF>, -, -
I have the following WEB Proxy plugins installed:
- SurfControl WEBFilter v4.5.0.31
- ISA Monitor v1.3
As to when the problem started... hmmm.... difficult to say, but I know
that
I only installed the ISA Monitor fairly recently (like ~1-2 months ago),
and
this may coincide with the timing of the problem... I'm not sure. Anyone
know of any issues with ISA Monitor?
Thanks
William R.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 13 July 2005 10:24 PM
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Hi Bill,
..and the rest of the questions?
You can examine your packet filter logs to see where the spoof attack
was seen.
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-----Original Message-----
From: William Robertson [mailto:william.robertson@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 07:33
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Thanks Jim.
I have many (~600 today alone) of the following spoof attacks in my
application log:
Event ID: 15108
Date: 13/07/2005
Time: 08:54
Description:
ISA Server detected a spoof attack from Internet Protocol (IP) address
172.16.115.38. A spoof attack occurs when an IP address that is not
reachable via the interface on which the packet was received. If logging
for
dropped packets is set, you can view details in the packet filter log.
And then shortly after I had this one:
Event ID: 14079
Date: 13/07/2005
Time: 08:56
Description:
Due to an unexpected error, the service w3proxy stopped responding to
all
requests. This occurred 2 time(s) in the past 20:18 hours. Try to stop
the
service or kill the corresponding process if it does not respond, and
start
it again. Check the Event Viewer for related error messages.
And then when the service restarted itself, my cache was corrupt:
Event ID: 14176
Date: 13/07/2005
Time: 08:56
Description:
Disk cache E:\urlcache\dir1.cdat failed to initialize. Some errors were
encountered when ISA Server restored specific data cache files. ISA
Server
will now attempt to recover these files. These errors may have occurred
because there was not enough time to complete all necessary shutdown
operations, when ISA Server was previously shut down. To avoid this in
future, you can increase the value of the
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\WaitToKillServiceTim
eout
registry key. Identify the reason for cache failure by examining
previous
recorded events, or the error code. The error code in the Data area of
the
event properties indicates the cause of the failure (internal code:
503.6333.3.0.1200.166).
I am extremely suspicious of all the spoof attacks, but they are on
"private" IP addresses so I cannot figure where they are coming from.
Surely
not via my ISA'a external (public/routed) interface??
Thanks
William R.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 12 July 2005 03:56 PM
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This is a bad suggestion.
As Robert stated, SP2 includes this fix - if you try to reapply it,
nothing will happen.
..now on to troubleshooting:
1. what additional ISA events are found in the System and Application
event logs?
2. what traffic is found in the web proxy logs for that same time frame?
3. what web proxy plug-ins are you running?
4. when did this behavior start?
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