Not surprised; amused. Every P2P app in the world has been doing that for months. Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:08:30 -0700 "Ray Dzek" <rdzek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.ISAserver.org I don't really know why any of you are surprised. I mean really. You take any technology, dumb it down to the lowest common denoninator and then shrink-wrap it and stick it on a shelf for $39.99. Sell a billion of them and then apologize for it later. The Wi-Fi industry did it. That's why there are 6+ open AP's within range of my house. 'Cause the ^%#%^ don't work! It is NOT interoperable. And it is too freakin hard to configure for the average schmuck. So now the VOIP guys all want their turn. The FW folks are still playing in their own sandbox and not presenting viable VOIP FW transmission options If I were a VOIP guy trying to sell the hot-thing-de-jour, I would be trying to figure out a way around the FW too. That document is 3 years old and FW like ISA still don't support SIP, etc. Sad... just sad. Ray Dzek Network Operations Supervisor Specialized Bicycle Components PH: 408-782-5420 FX: 408-782-5421 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:49 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] The Internet Telephony - IETF Standards - Firewall/NAT Traversal http://www.ISAserver.org Read the abstract on this one. What world does he live in? The Internet Telephony - IETF Standards - Firewall/NAT Traversal: http://www.iptel.org/info/players/ietf/firewall/ ------------------------------------------------------ List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ ------------------------------------------------------ Other Internet Software Marketing Sites: World of Windows Networking: http://www.windowsnetworking.com Leading Network Software Directory: http://www.serverfiles.com No.1 Exchange Server Resource Site: http://www.msexchange.org Windows Security Resource Site: http://www.windowsecurity.com/ Network Security Library: http://www.secinf.net/ Windows 2000/NT Fax Solutions: http://www.ntfaxfaq.com ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: rdzek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe visit http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist ------------------------------------------------------ List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist ISA Server Newsletter: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/newsletter.asp ISA Server FAQ: http://www.isaserver.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ ------------------------------------------------------ Other Internet Software Marketing Sites: World of Windows Networking: http://www.windowsnetworking.com Leading Network Software Directory: http://www.serverfiles.com No.1 Exchange Server Resource Site: http://www.msexchange.org Windows Security Resource Site: http://www.windowsecurity.com/ Network Security Library: http://www.secinf.net/ Windows 2000/NT Fax Solutions: http://www.ntfaxfaq.com ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe visit http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=isalist