[isalist] Re: TMG Release

  • From: Steve Moffat <steve@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: ISA Mailing List <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:16:51 -0300

Yeah, I know a guy like that....loser..:)

From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of John Wilson
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 5:13 PM
To: ISA Mailing List
Cc: ISA Mailing List
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

Agreed on all points, except maybe for that "awesome boss" part. I seem to 
remember he had sort of this weird god complex.


J

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On Sep 14, 2009, at 3:55 PM, "Thor (Hammer of God)" 
<thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
The web site is right… That’s what Software Assurance is for.

Another thing to remember is that many companies (like yours) simply cannot 
keep all deployments of a given product “current.”  I’m sure you guys have both 
ISA 2004 and 2006 deployed somewhere (probably because you had an AWESOME boss 
at some point who showed you how to use it, I’m guessing).  Even if you don’t I 
know of others that do, and they can’t or won’t change because of reasons x, y, 
and z.

Software Assurance allows you the flexibility to apply software solutions to 
your environment.  In some cases, it even allows you move from a “standard” 
versions to a “pro” edition of the same version, depending on your licensing.   
 SA is a cash cow, and in many cases “money for nothing” afa the customer is 
concerned.  Paying customers normally win those kinds of arguments, 
PARTICULARLY when it is something so logically obvious, and publically 
confirmed.

They wouldn’t know you had 2004 installed anyway.  Time to call this one 
“beaten to death.”

t



From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Wilson
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:44 AM
To: ISA Mailing List
Cc: ISA Mailing List
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

So here's what I don't get... If the liscensing folks and the web documentation 
doesn't agree, what is the customer ENTITLED to? I mean, does MIcrosoft have to 
honor what is in writing on the site, or do they have one of those clauses in 
the liscence that states it may change at any time, etc.,etc.?

I guess that's the real crux of the issue.

John Wilson

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On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Jim Harrison 
<Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
..hardly.
If the web page and the marketing and licensing folks disagree, something has 
to change.
The only thing I hate worse than bad docs is bad licensing statements.
Licensing is hard enough without having "mixed messages" floating about.

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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat [steve@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:19 AM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release
No matter what your licencing peeps say....We (my client), went straight from 
2000 to 2008.....through ms gold partner who clarified it with MS licensing.  3 
months ago. 3 servers.

From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:06 PM
To: ISA Mailing List
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

It's the "active SA" part that I'm trying to make clear.
I've had discussions with several customers that think SA for one product 
morphs into another automagically.

FWIW, I've pinged the licensing folks.
They're the ones that have been saying "free upgrade from ISA 2006 only".

It wouldn't be the first time a web page was "mistaken".

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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley 
[Joe.Pochedley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:53 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release
I have to concur with Steve…  So long as you have an “active SA” for a product 
line, then you’re eligible to upgrade to the latest version of the product.  As 
soon as your SA is not renewed (becomes inactive), then you lose your upgrade 
rights.

So, if you had an active SA on ISA 2006, but that SA expires and is not renewed 
prior to TMG release, then you’re not entitled to TMG.  If you have an active 
SA for ISA at TMG’s release, and you’re still (for some god awful reason) 
running ISA 2000, you still have a valid license to TMG…

Since an active SA also grants product downgrade rights, I don’t see why MS 
would care whether a company is running ISA 2004 or 2006…  So long as the SA is 
active. (which means Microsoft is getting their money!)

Now, there’s of course a question on whether you need to exercise the SA right 
to upgrade before the SA expires (should you decided to let an SA expire).  But 
that’s a whole other topic for another day.


From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:00 AM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

Nah, Jim's just wrong this time. I've never had to do that for any of my 
clients & one of them has just went from win2k to win2008 on SA

From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ball, Dan
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:42 AM
To: ISA Mailing List
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

I would like to find out more about the “exercising your SA” thing, we’ve 
maintained Software Assurance on all of our server products for about 10 years 
now and I’ve never heard that term before.  Possibly this is something that our 
reseller does automatically for us?


From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:10 AM
To: ISA Mailing List
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

He is not correct tho'

According to Tim & MS

If my organization has Software Assurance, can we upgrade to the new version of 
any product?
You may upgrade to the latest version of any underlying licensed product for 
which you have Software Assurance coverage.
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/software-assurance/faq.aspx


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[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:59 AM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

That’s what I said.

thanks,

Amy Babinchak

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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:58 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

No; SA gets you the “next revision”; not “the next convenient revision”.
If you don’t exercise your 2004 SA to upgrade to ISA 2006, you don’t’ get to 
upgrade to TMG.

From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:54 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

It’s really a matter of whether you have excerised your SA rights yet or not. 
If not, why haven’t you?

thanks,

Amy Babinchak

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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:51 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

Jim,

I don’t understand this:

ISA 2006 SA will get them an upgrade to TMG.
ISA 2004 SA will not.


ISA SA is ISA SA…  I’ve never seen a distinction for SA for ISA 2004 vs SA for 
ISA 2006…  If the SA is active / up-to-date, then you’ve got SA for the ISA 
product line.   As TMG is the next “version” of ISA, then any active ISA SA 
should get you the upgrade…  Or am I missing something?

Joe P


From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:40 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [isalist] Re: TMG Release

TMG will release by the end of this year, which will also be about 90 days 
before it goes “GA” (Generally Available).
ISA 2006 SA will get them an upgrade to TMG.
ISA 2004 SA will not.
TMG MBE does not have SA, so who cares?

Seriously – do you really think anyone with an NDA is going to break it in a 
public forum by giving vague suggestions as to a release date other than what’s 
been publicly stated?
Your nail-biting customers are in no worse position than any other ISA 
customer.  Those who have “moved on cuz we can’t wait” will regret that 
decision, but hey – it’s their decision to make…

Patience, (gr)asshopper – all good things in their own time. ☺

From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Haigh
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:59 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [isalist] TMG Release

Hi All,
Now I know that those in the know are restricted by NDR’s and other constraints 
but if I were to guess at there being a RC release Oct/Nov with the product 
being released to the public by Feb 2010, would it be a close guess?

Been getting a lot of pressure from clients about when is TMG going to be 
available. They are some who have moved to other products already but I still 
have some hanging on as they have SA on the product.

Thanks

Andy


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