Dear list, I have Symantec Corporate Edition and am treating ISA as any other client, the anti virus is a normal client anti virus and not one designed for the ISA, I have the Symantec server in the management computers group and can ping and access shares on the ISA from the Symantec server, I have a rule to allow all traffic from the Symantec server to the local host but still the Symantec server can't see the ISA (in its console) and can't update its definitions. Do I need to do anything else on the ISA part? Thanks, r.