Hi Joseph, Hmmm. Don't know. Never thougt about it. I'll have to play around with the order and see what happens. Tom Thomas W Shinder, M.D. Site: www.isaserver.org Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls **Who is John Galt?** > -----Original Message----- > From: JosephK [mailto:josephk@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:50 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Yes, that's what I've been looking at. I'm not sure how that > relates to > the order of the nics when you do ipconfig /all. > > Joseph > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:28 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Hi Joseph, > > When you look in the Advanced Settings on the Network > Connections Window > (or whatever they call that window), you can see the binding > order list > for the NICs. Is that what you're thinking about? > > Thanks! > Tom > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D. > Site: www.isaserver.org > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 > MVP -- ISA Firewalls > **Who is John Galt?** > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JosephK [mailto:josephk@xxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:07 AM > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > I'm just trying to get a handle on the correlation of doing > > ipconfig and > > the order of nic cards when you select advance. For me, it > > still shows > > Client for Microsoft Networks. Does that mean ISA then overrides the > > settings for DMZ, EXTRNAL ETC. > > > > Another thing when I do IPCONFIG on one of my ISA machines I get the > > listing that shows DMZ, EXTERNAL, INTERNAL and PARIMETER. > Then when I > > look at advanced settings it shows INTERNAL, DMZ, PARIMETER AND > > EXTERNAL. I think this is a dumb question but one that > confuse me on > > occasion when looking at many different machines. Not sure > > where I can > > read about this so I ask here. I'm thinking that it's just the slots > > that are occupied by the PCI bus. > > > > So, if it is when does the binding actually take place? > > > > Joseph > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:57 PM > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > Since your *default* ISA policies disable that > functionality, it makes > > little difference whether it's bound to the external > interface or not. > > > > ..and there's always the "attack surface" question... > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > Jim Harrison > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ > > http://isatools.org > > Read the help / books / articles! > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JosephK [mailto:josephk@xxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:48 PM > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > Would you still want to remove client for windows networks > on all the > > external interfaces? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:02 PM > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > Sure you can. When the "external" interface is on a private address > > network and the client is on a private address network too. > > Sounds like > > this isn't your scenario. I'm thinking of this type of scenario: > > > > Inbound SMTP relay on private address DMZ between FE and BE ISA > > firewalls > > Route relationship between the SMTP server on the > "internal" network. > > > > Tom > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D. > > Site: www.isaserver.org > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls > > **Who is John Galt?** > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:58 PM > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > You said I had to actually hit the SMTP server address, not > > > the ISA external > > > interface address for the "route" deal to work. You can't > > > hit the 1918 > > > address externally... > > > > > > That being said, changing the source network to the > > Perimiter and the > > > destination to External with NAT worked. Thing is, in a > > > route, you'd want > > > it the other way around... But to make the relationship the > > > same as an > > > "Internal" network, that's what I had to do. > > > > > > I'm going to see if the reverse direction in "route" will > > > work as well-- but > > > even if it does, I don't think I was a route relationship > > > from the External > > > to the DMZ, right? Or will it not matter for the same reason > > > I just stated > > > above re: 1918? > > > > > > t > > > > > > ----- > > > "I may disapprove of what you say, > > > but I will defend to the death your > > > right to say it." > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:39 PM > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > Why? If the "external" interface of the ISA firewall is > on a private > > > address segment, you could use private addresses in the DMZ. > > > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D. > > > Site: www.isaserver.org > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 > > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls > > > **Who is John Galt?** > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:33 PM > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > I'll find out in a bit-- that's the part that is confusing > > > > me... But hell, > > > > it won't work now, so we'll see. I server publish the SMTP > > > > server address > > > > in a route relationship would mean that you could never have > > > > a 1918 address > > > > in the perimiter... > > > > > > > > t > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > "I may disapprove of what you say, > > > > but I will defend to the death your > > > > right to say it." > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:22 PM > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > You sure about that? > > > > > > > > I thought I tested it and the port stealing thingie worked. > > > Now I need > > > > to test again! > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D. > > > > Site: www.isaserver.org > > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ > > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 > > > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls > > > > **Who is John Galt?** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 3:15 PM > > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > > > Here's the catch: > > > > > Server publishing is *non-functional* if the source and > > > > > destination networks have a "route" relationship. > > > > > If you want to s-pub a host in the DMZ net, you need to > > > > > create a NAT relationship between the external net and > > that host. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Jim Harrison > > > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG > > > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ > > > > > http://isatools.org > > > > > Read the help / books / articles! > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 09:40 > > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > > > OK- pretty straight forward article... But here's the deal. > > > > > In that config, they call the "perimiter network" the DMZ > > > > > itself. As in this: > > > > > > > > > > DMZ > > > > > | > > > > > ISA Box > > > > > | > > > > > Internal Network. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They publish SMTP from the External interface to the Internal > > > > > Interface. > > > > > Done it a million times. But in my case, this is a bit > > different: > > > > > > > > > > Internet > > > > > | > > > > > ISA Box --- Permiter Network (DMZ) > > > > > | > > > > > Internal Network > > > > > > > > > > I want to publish from the External Interface into the DMZ- > > > > > not into the Internal network. If I publish to the Internal, > > > > > then it actuall works. > > > > > When I publish to the DMZ Perimiter, it says SMTP denied by > > > > > the default rule from External to Local-Host. The Permiter > > > > > network here is set to route-- but of course, I can't just > > > > > set an access rule-- the DMZ is 192.168.3.0 and I must > > > > > *publish* to it, not just route to it. > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > "I may disapprove of what you say, > > > > > but I will defend to the death your > > > > > right to say it." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:11 AM > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > > > Enable SMTP service logging and get ready to fire up NetMon, > > > > > but take a > > > > > quick read of this great article that will shed some light > > > > on possible > > > > > SMTP service issues and SMTP filtering at the ISA firewall. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/isa/2004/plan/fir > > > > > ewall-exch > > > > > ange2003.mspx > > > > > > > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D. > > > > > Site: www.isaserver.org > > > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ > > > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 > > > > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls > > > > > **Who is John Galt?** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:54 AM > > > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Yo- > > > > > > > > > > > > I too have this funky issue with SMTP publishing > just on this > > > > > > one box. This > > > > > > one is an External, Internal, Perimeter Network setup-- when > > > > > > I go to publish > > > > > > from the External IP to the Perimeter segment, the > rule is in > > > > > > place just > > > > > > fine, but I get the Default Rule denied the traffic. It > > > > > > showed that it > > > > > > denied SMTP (not SMTP Server, btw) from the > External to Local > > > > > > Host. The > > > > > > network segments are set up correctly, with the right IP's > > > > > > and all. The > > > > > > perimeter network is set to route. It just won't work. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only thing different about this box is that this is the > > > > > > one that still > > > > > > shows "192.168.7.180" in my Domain Controller built-in > > > > > > Computer Sets that it > > > > > > won't let me edit out. I did the whole ADSI Edit thing and > > > > > > ntdsutil, but > > > > > > that site was gracefully removed, and it no longer > referenced > > > > > > anywhere. Odd > > > > > > thing is that my perimeter network is 192.168.3.0 > > > > 255.255.255.0 (NOT > > > > > > 192.168.7.0) so I'm not sure what all the hubbub is about. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim? Tom? Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > "I may disapprove of what you say, > > > > > > but I will defend to the death your > > > > > > right to say it." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Bunting, Jeff" <BUNTING@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" > <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:03 AM > > > > > > Subject: [isalist] SMTP publishing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just created a rule to publish SMTP from my > Exchange 2003 > > > > > > server, but > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > getting 0x8007274c errors on the ISA server when I try to > > > > > > telnet to port > > > > > > > 25. > > > > > > > I do establish a connection, but get no response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Exchange server is a front end server and I have OWA > > > > > > and RPC over HTTP > > > > > > > published through ISA for this same server. I can telnet > > > > > > to this server > > > > > > > internally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see anything written to the smtpsvc logs on > > > > > > Exchange and a netstat > > > > > > > doesn't show any connection from the ISA server, so it > > > > > > looks like the > > > > > > > external telnet connection to ISA is made OK, but traffic > > > > > > isn't making it > > > > > > > from ISA to Exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I can make a telnet connection from the console of > > > > > ISA to the > > > > > > > Exchange > > > > > > > server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm stumped. 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