Re: SMTP publishing
- From: "JosephK" <josephk@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:45:04 -0800
I've got flat panels now. Not the purchased kind. Just the kind you
spend beating your head against!
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:08 PM
To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
http://www.ISAserver.org
That's usually when I write them, after beating my head against the
monitor for a few hours trying to figure it out ;O)
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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MVP -- ISA Firewalls
**Who is John Galt?**
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:04 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Why is it that you always provide me with article references
> after I have to
> put sweat equitiy into solving my farking problems? The
> article makes
> perfect sense, particularly after figuring it all out the hard way ;)
>
> t
>
> -----
> "I may disapprove of what you say,
> but I will defend to the death your
> right to say it."
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:31 PM
> Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
>
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> After your head stops hurting read this:
>
> http://www.isaserver.org/articles/2004pubdmzservers.html
>
> :-)
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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> **Who is John Galt?**
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:22 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Right- I gotcha now-- but still, given the default gateway on
> > assets in the
> > private DMZ would point to the internal interface of the
> > internet facing ISA
> > server, they would have to know to "route" to the external
> > interface of the
> > internal ISA box to be able to hit the private address of a
> perimeter
> > network asset (which still makes some sense, I guess...) but
> > regardless,
> > this is publishing an external interface address (mail2) to
> > a DMZ SMTP
> > server.
> >
> > Oh, and a "route" relationship does not work. It has to be SOURCE
> > "Perimeter" with DESTINATION "External" in a NAT relationship
> > for it to
> > work, even with a rule that publishes the External interface to the
> > "Perimeter" network.
> >
> > So, that did it. Funny thing is, the "Perimeter" network
> > DESTINATION routed
> > from the SOURCE "External" network worked fine for web
> > publishing. My head
> > hurts. Jaeger time.
> >
> > t
> >
> >
> > -----
> > "I may disapprove of what you say,
> > but I will defend to the death your
> > right to say it."
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:02 PM
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
> >
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Sure you can. When the "external" interface is on a private address
> > network and the client is on a private address network too.
> > Sounds like
> > this isn't your scenario. I'm thinking of this type of scenario:
> >
> > Inbound SMTP relay on private address DMZ between FE and BE ISA
> > firewalls
> > Route relationship between the SMTP server on the
> "internal" network.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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> > **Who is John Galt?**
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:58 PM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > You said I had to actually hit the SMTP server address, not
> > > the ISA external
> > > interface address for the "route" deal to work. You can't
> > > hit the 1918
> > > address externally...
> > >
> > > That being said, changing the source network to the
> > Perimiter and the
> > > destination to External with NAT worked. Thing is, in a
> > > route, you'd want
> > > it the other way around... But to make the relationship the
> > > same as an
> > > "Internal" network, that's what I had to do.
> > >
> > > I'm going to see if the reverse direction in "route" will
> > > work as well-- but
> > > even if it does, I don't think I was a route relationship
> > > from the External
> > > to the DMZ, right? Or will it not matter for the same reason
> > > I just stated
> > > above re: 1918?
> > >
> > > t
> > >
> > > -----
> > > "I may disapprove of what you say,
> > > but I will defend to the death your
> > > right to say it."
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:39 PM
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Why? If the "external" interface of the ISA firewall is
> on a private
> > > address segment, you could use private addresses in the DMZ.
> > >
> > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > Site: www.isaserver.org
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> > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > > **Who is John Galt?**
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:33 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > I'll find out in a bit-- that's the part that is confusing
> > > > me... But hell,
> > > > it won't work now, so we'll see. I server publish the SMTP
> > > > server address
> > > > in a route relationship would mean that you could never have
> > > > a 1918 address
> > > > in the perimiter...
> > > >
> > > > t
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > "I may disapprove of what you say,
> > > > but I will defend to the death your
> > > > right to say it."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:22 PM
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > You sure about that?
> > > >
> > > > I thought I tested it and the port stealing thingie worked.
> > > Now I need
> > > > to test again!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > > Site: www.isaserver.org
> > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
> > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > > > **Who is John Galt?**
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 3:15 PM
> > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's the catch:
> > > > > Server publishing is *non-functional* if the source and
> > > > > destination networks have a "route" relationship.
> > > > > If you want to s-pub a host in the DMZ net, you need to
> > > > > create a NAT relationship between the external net and
> > that host.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > > > > http://isatools.org
> > > > > Read the help / books / articles!
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 09:40
> > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > >
> > > > > OK- pretty straight forward article... But here's the deal.
> > > > > In that config, they call the "perimiter network" the DMZ
> > > > > itself. As in this:
> > > > >
> > > > > DMZ
> > > > > |
> > > > > ISA Box
> > > > > |
> > > > > Internal Network.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > They publish SMTP from the External interface to the Internal
> > > > > Interface.
> > > > > Done it a million times. But in my case, this is a bit
> > different:
> > > > >
> > > > > Internet
> > > > > |
> > > > > ISA Box --- Permiter Network (DMZ)
> > > > > |
> > > > > Internal Network
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to publish from the External Interface into the DMZ-
> > > > > not into the Internal network. If I publish to the Internal,
> > > > > then it actuall works.
> > > > > When I publish to the DMZ Perimiter, it says SMTP denied by
> > > > > the default rule from External to Local-Host. The Permiter
> > > > > network here is set to route-- but of course, I can't just
> > > > > set an access rule-- the DMZ is 192.168.3.0 and I must
> > > > > *publish* to it, not just route to it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > > t
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > "I may disapprove of what you say,
> > > > > but I will defend to the death your
> > > > > right to say it."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:11 AM
> > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Enable SMTP service logging and get ready to fire up NetMon,
> > > > > but take a
> > > > > quick read of this great article that will shed some light
> > > > on possible
> > > > > SMTP service issues and SMTP filtering at the ISA firewall.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/isa/2004/plan/fir
> > > > > ewall-exch
> > > > > ange2003.mspx
> > > > >
> > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > > > Site: www.isaserver.org
> > > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
> > > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > > > > **Who is John Galt?**
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 10:54 AM
> > > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: SMTP publishing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yo-
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I too have this funky issue with SMTP publishing
> just on this
> > > > > > one box. This
> > > > > > one is an External, Internal, Perimeter Network setup-- when
> > > > > > I go to publish
> > > > > > from the External IP to the Perimeter segment, the
> rule is in
> > > > > > place just
> > > > > > fine, but I get the Default Rule denied the traffic. It
> > > > > > showed that it
> > > > > > denied SMTP (not SMTP Server, btw) from the
> External to Local
> > > > > > Host. The
> > > > > > network segments are set up correctly, with the right IP's
> > > > > > and all. The
> > > > > > perimeter network is set to route. It just won't work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only thing different about this box is that this is the
> > > > > > one that still
> > > > > > shows "192.168.7.180" in my Domain Controller built-in
> > > > > > Computer Sets that it
> > > > > > won't let me edit out. I did the whole ADSI Edit thing and
> > > > > > ntdsutil, but
> > > > > > that site was gracefully removed, and it no longer
> referenced
> > > > > > anywhere. Odd
> > > > > > thing is that my perimeter network is 192.168.3.0
> > > > 255.255.255.0 (NOT
> > > > > > 192.168.7.0) so I'm not sure what all the hubbub is about.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim? Tom? Anyone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > t
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > "I may disapprove of what you say,
> > > > > > but I will defend to the death your
> > > > > > right to say it."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Bunting, Jeff" <BUNTING@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]"
> <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:03 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] SMTP publishing
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just created a rule to publish SMTP from my
> Exchange 2003
> > > > > > server, but
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > getting 0x8007274c errors on the ISA server when I try to
> > > > > > telnet to port
> > > > > > > 25.
> > > > > > > I do establish a connection, but get no response.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Exchange server is a front end server and I have OWA
> > > > > > and RPC over HTTP
> > > > > > > published through ISA for this same server. I can telnet
> > > > > > to this server
> > > > > > > internally.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't see anything written to the smtpsvc logs on
> > > > > > Exchange and a netstat
> > > > > > > doesn't show any connection from the ISA server, so it
> > > > > > looks like the
> > > > > > > external telnet connection to ISA is made OK, but traffic
> > > > > > isn't making it
> > > > > > > from ISA to Exchange.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, I can make a telnet connection from the console of
> > > > > ISA to the
> > > > > > > Exchange
> > > > > > > server.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm stumped. Anyone have an idea?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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