[isalist] Re: Publishing a SSH Server (The solution)
- From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:54:51 -0700
We start boarding in about 1/2 hour, so I doubt I'll see your response for at
least a day (not counting jet lag recovery).
Ben Gurion airport (Terminal 3) has complimentary 802.11g!
54MbS of gratis wireless ..!
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: Sat 5/13/2006 9:56 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing a SSH Server (The solution)
Your ASCII art turned out pretty nicely :)
Let me chew on this and hopefully I'll be able to respond before you get on the
plane. BTW -- do they give you Internet access on Internation flights?
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:29 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [isalist] Re: Publishing a SSH Server (The solution)
I'm on OWA, so my ASCII art will be a bit off:
Correct - if you need a route relationship between two hosts, then they
need "direct" or at least "routed" access to each other. If their IP
subnetting is such that they cannot reach each other except via a NAT device,
the rule itself cannot work.
ISA Server Publishing NAT scenario:
Client IP == 123.123.123.123
ISA Ext IP = 123.123.123.124
ISA Int IP = 192.168.0.1
Published SSH server =192.168.0.2
External client sends:
------------------------------------
| Source IP | Destination IP |
------------------------------------
| 123.123.123.123 | 123.123.123.124 |
------------------------------------
ISA fwds to pub server:
------------------------------------
| Source IP | Destination IP |
------------------------------------
| 123.123.123.123 | 192.168.0.2 |
------------------------------------
In this scenario, the "standard" NAT-based server publishing applies.
ISA == default gateway for the SSH server, etc... If you change the rule to
"use ISA address", then the source Ip will be the ISA defatul internal IP.
ISA Server Publishing Route scenario #1:
Client IP == 123.123.123.123
ISA Ext IP = 123.123.123.124
ISA Int IP = 192.168.0.1
Published SSH server =123.123.124.124
External client sends:
------------------------------------
| Source IP | Destination IP |
------------------------------------
| 123.123.123.123 | 123.123.124.124 |
------------------------------------
ISA fwds to pub server:
------------------------------------
| Source IP | Destination IP |
------------------------------------
| 123.123.123.123 | 123.123.124.124 |
------------------------------------
In this scenario, the "standard" route-based server publishing applies.
ISA == default gateway for the SSH server, and also performs routing for the
client to the internal network (or just the SSH server as you like). However
you confinger it, the client's routing path to teh internal network *must* use
the ISA external IP as the "last hoop" in the routing path.
ISA Server Publishing Route scenario #2:
Client IP == 192.168.1.1
ISA Ext IP = 123.123.123.124
ISA Int IP = 192.168.0.1
Published SSH server =192.168.0.2
External client sends:
------------------------------------
| Source IP | Destination IP |
------------------------------------
| 192.168.1.1 | 192.168.0.2 |
------------------------------------
ISA fwds to pub server:
------------------------------------
| Source IP | Destination IP |
------------------------------------
| 192.168.1.1 | 192.168.0.2 |
------------------------------------
In this scenario, the "non-standard" route-based server publishing
appears. ISA == default gateway for the SSH server, and also performs routing
for the client to the internal network (or just the SSH server as you like).
However you confinger it, the client's routing path to the internal network
*must* use the ISA external IP as the "last hoop" in the routing path. This is
much like the "BQOD" test I posed where an RFC-1918-assigned device lies
outside ISA and must be acessible to/from the LAT.
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: Sat 5/13/2006 9:05 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing a SSH Server (The solution)
Hi Jim,
But I'm still not sure how it explains why adding a ROUTE Network Rule
solves the problem. Since the Network Rules are evaluated from the top down, I
would think that the NAT Network Rule would never trigger. So, in a publishing
situation, if the ROUTE Network Rule is active, then the connection from the
external host would have to be made to the actual public IP address of the SSH
server, and then ISA would use its "port stealing" feature to grab the
connection and forward it to the SSH Server.
I'm so confused :)
Thanks!
Tom
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/>
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7>
MVP -- ISA Firewalls
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:21 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing a SSH Server (The solution)
According to RFC 4254, there are many instances where NAT could
break SSH traffic.
The protocol itself tolerates NAT just fine for the most part,
but a few extensions to the base protocol don't.
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc4254.html is your point of
reference...
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: Thu 5/11/2006 8:30 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing a SSH Server (The solution)
Wow. that is really whack. I hope we can someday figure out why
this works!
Tom
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/>
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7>
MVP -- ISA Firewalls
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wilmar Perez
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:16 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Publishing a SSH Server (The
solution)
Hello Tom
No, I didn't have to delete the NAT rule. Right now it
is working with the Route rule before the NAT rule, that is, the Route rule is
higher.
Thanks
Wilmar
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