Hi Glenn, Good points. Here in our corner of the world, we do not pay packet charges for ISDN, and we do NOT pay per minute charges for PSTN local calls. So, for local calls to a dial up RAS server, PSTN is definitely the way to go. However, in 3rd world nations like Chicago, Illinois, I understand that you now have to pay per minute charges for PSTN, so you have to take those sorts of things into account :-) Seriously, I know that we have things very good here, so in more parts of the USA and the rest of the world, VPN is the way to go. Thanks! Tom Thomas W Shinder www.isaserver.org/shinder ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1 Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Maks [mailto:gmaks@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 9:27 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Off Topic: RAS Dialup Device http://www.ISAserver.org If you are afforded more flexible connectivity solutions I would look at a more dedicated connection, like Cable Access, each home user can expense the reoccurring monthly cost of around 40 to 45 dollars per month, no usage charges like their are with ISDN, the setup and installation is easier, a bit, not much, you can easily setup a VPN type connection with L2TP secured with certificates and no procurement of any phone services. It might be worth looking at from your end, easy to support as well. I bring my SOHO users in by this method, it is fast, secure and easy to support. things that make you go MMmmmmmmmm. This can be done using RRAS. -----Original Message----- From: William Robertson [mailto:william.robertson@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:54 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Off Topic: RAS Dialup Device http://www.ISAserver.org Hi there Apologies for the nuisance in advance, but seeing as we all play with firewalls, I assume that many of you have something to do with demand-dial solutions as well. I now need to look at possible scenarios for a dialup facility (to connect from home to work) that is both cost effective and reliable. At this stage I can think of maybe installing 2 ISDN modems with a basic rate line for each modem thus giving me a total of 4 available dialup connections. This would prove simple, cost effective and should be more than adequate for the 15 possible users. Does anyone know of an alternative solution that may be better suited for a simple start to a RAS dialup? Thanks William R. _____ William Robertson AST Mpumalanga Systems House / Consultant: Software Tel: 013-2472703 / 083 638 0354 Fax: 013-2462236