Spot coolers can cost you more to operate, not less. The heat extracted by the spot cooler has to go someplace. Sure, you are cooling data center room air and blowing the chilled air into a rack. But the spot cooler is still blowing the extracted heat out the top + the additional heat generated by the spot cooler itself. If you have one of the larger units, you may be expelling the hot air into your plenum space above the T-bar, or out into your office space where the building AC has to now work harder to remove the heat you are pumping out of the data center. They are awesome as a stop-gap, or temporary solution. But they are not a replacement for a properly configured cooling system. Thermodynamics - It's the law. P.S. - We keep our room around 75. P.S.S. - Take the Watts for the room. If you have a whole room UPS just take the KVA output from your UPS meters and multiply by the Power Factor for you UPS (Usually .7 to .9) to give you total Kilowatts. Take the total Kilowatts * 0.283 = Approximate Tons of Cooling needed for your data center. KVA * PF = KW KW * 0.283 = Approximate Tons of AC Or if you know how many watts then it is Watts * .000283 = Cooling Tons Kind regards, Ray Dzek Network Operations Specialized Bicycle Components From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:25 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: OT: What temperature do you run your server room at? It's not the temp of the outside air that is the problem. It's the temperature of the server interior. All recent servers have temp indicators built on board. I would look at those. I have not found that with the room that hot that the servers can cool themselves properly. (even a single server or PC for that matter) I'm sure that the temp can be bumped up from the 65 degrees that many server rooms are running at and the server would be just fine but I'd be surprised if it was anything above 75. Of course room size and amount of equipment plays into that as well. For the LEEDS certification, I would see if purchasing a spot air conditioner would earn you any points. No need to cool the whole room if the idea is to get the severs the cool air they need to intake. We have started to place portable air conditioners at the rack. They are inexpensive and efficient and no longer require a drain for water. This cools the rack while leaving the room at normal temp. Another client recently took a step further. The server room is fairly large but only holds a single rack of 5 servers. Panel equipment is mounted on the wall next to the rack. They recently installed a folding wall with sound proofing to section off the room. They can now use the rest for other storage and temp office space. The portable air conditioner in place is still keeping the rack nice and cool. thanks, Amy Babinchak Harbor Computer Services | 248-850-8616 Mobile 248-890-1794 Web http://www.harborcomputerservices.net <http://www.harborcomputerservices.net/> Client Blog http://smalltechnotes.blogspot.com <http://smalltechnotes.blogspot.com/> Tech Blog http://securesmb.harborcomputerservices.net <http://securesmb.harborcomputerservices.net/> Buy My House: http://www.shannonrealty.com/vassar_mls_tour.html Are you an IT Pro? http://www.thirdtier.net <http://www.thirdtier.net/> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob Moore Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:01 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] OT: What temperature do you run your server room at? Hi all- This is off topic, but an interesting question. Our building is going through a renovation. Part of the renovation is transforming the building into a green building (LEEDS certified gold, or maybe even platinum). This question hasn't come up here, but it does have relevance to us. I was at a conference yesterday and a Microsoft guy was talking about virtualization, how it could save you money and whatnot. He mentioned that at the office he works at, as another money-saving feature they keep their server room at 90 degrees (!). It saves them money on cooling and he says has no adverse effects on their servers. He says the biggest damage-inducing facet of temperature is big swings in temperature, that just running hot is not a problem. What do you all think? Thanks, Rob -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rob Moore Network Manager 215-241-7870 Help Desk: 800-500-AFSC ExchangeDefender Message Security: Check Authenticity <http://www.exchangedefender.com/verify.asp?id=mACEJIQC021544&from=amy@h arborcomputerservices.net>