John, 17500 miles from the CO, is that suppose to be feet maybe? Anyhow you should call Verizon or whoever your ISP is and ask them to do a loop test, if that exists in the USA, and tell you how many miles are you are from the CO, then convert it Kilometers. If you are more than 3Km from the CO the only way the ISP (be that Verizon or a third party) will be able to improve your signal is if Verizon installs a RDSLAM in your area. RDSLAM's bring areas that have are outside the DSL limit closer to the CO's. I too would also be interested in seeing what your line stats are, but I am willing to bet you are 5+ Km from the CO. You should all to Toronto Canada. :-) I live 2.4Km from the CO, and have a RDSLAM in my neighborhood. Bell Canada is upgrading everyone onto RDSLAM's which is suppose to be done by the end of 2005, but you know Teleco's some times these things take longer. Anyhow my Alcatel SpeedTouch Home shows that it can easily grab 8Megs from the CO, though it's currently capped at 40332/800. And just as Verizon is moving to offer, if they haven't already, fiber xDSL(?) service, Bell is moving to VDSL and ADSL2+. ADSL2+ is being testing outside of Ontario; it has potenal for 26Mbit-sec/2Mbit-sec over your normal phone line. Regards, Andrew ________________________________ From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:32 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: OT: I HATE VERIZON WITH A F#$%ING PASSION!!! http://www.ISAserver.org I also am landlocked by Verizon. Funny, I called Covad for a ADSL line to my home office to replace cable. They came out and did everything they could to get it working, including installing a signal booster on the pole, all to no avail. The best speed was 384/64. I am at 17500 from the CO. No mind you, Covad was going to be the ISP, but of course the copper is Verizon's. About a month later, a Verizon salesperson is calling me trying to get me to sign up for DSL. I tell him it has been tried, but is not feasible. He says he can get it done. I just laughed and hung up on him. So, for my workstation that I do all my work on, I use Cable. The Only DSL I can reliably get is IDSL, and that costs over $100 per month for 192k, which is what I have my secondary server on. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:05 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] OT: I HATE VERIZON WITH A F#$%ING PASSION!!! http://www.ISAserver.org If you had tried to either send me mail or get something from ISATools.org, you may have noticed some rather irritating non-responses today. This is because my DSL line is acting up (consumer-grade service; waddaya expect?). I've logged literally hours of downtime today and when I tried to get some help from Verizon, all I got was either "we're closed for the holidays" or "you're not using Verizon for your ISP, so we can't help you". This is customer service?!? If only it were as easy as the Qwest commercials made it sound, I'd shift telco carriers in a New York micro-second. My ISP (ZipCon, if you're in the Seattle area) put in some serious overtime for me today, but all to no avail. Needless to say, we're both PO'd in the extreme. If this is what deregulation gets us, it sucks big time. I'm almost considering moving to Business Cable (T-1 costs ~$800/mo between ISP and telco fees)... <GRRRR> ..at least I got the cables and adapters I needed to get some basic sound paths built for my studio... Alcohol; mass quantities of alcohol... That's what's needed, here... 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