RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
- From: "Troy Radtke" <TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:44:14 -0600
Command line is a dying breed? Didn't everyone download Monad last week from
Microsoft???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSH_(shell)
Guess I'll just toss this Windows Command Line book out the door that I've used
as a pillow in a few server rooms to catch some sleep with...... I guess no
more logging of an entire computer's NTFS settings with a few clicks of the
keyboard and XCACLS.....
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From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:03 AM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
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Well, count yourself in the vast minority now... The newer IT techs doesn't
seem to know squat about the command-line, we're a dying breed *sigh*.
Microsoft has gotten it almost perfected though. It can't get too much easier
than "New updates are available, do you want to install them now?", and
"Updates are being installed, you can continue working while this is done", or
even opt for automatic installation. It takes zero skill to install a
patch/update with this methodology (and some install too quick because of it).
Cisco hasn't moved to this level yet, although I think they will gradually get
pushed in that direction. The vast majority of Cisco admins are extremely
comfortable with doing all work from the command prompt for now, so there isn't
a big hurry. Hence the quote from their corporate people that their users
don't want it...
It's been a couple of years since I've upgraded a Cisco myself, but I don't
recall it being as easy as copying over a .bin file and rebooting. Might it be
because I was doing a whole version upgrade instead of a patch?
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From: Alexandre Gauthier [mailto:gauthiera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:19 AM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
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It always amazes me on how anything related to command line or anything that is
text only will make many Windows admins automatically say it's hard or
unpleasant.
I for one, think text mode = light, which = simplicity.
It's not that counter intuitive, but simple - and thus less error prone, more
straightforward. I don't need tha bling bling.
But then again that is my opinion. Having manual also ensures you have
competent administrators :-)
Blind patching is my personal equivalent of Dr.Shinder's "hardware firewall" or
the "open port button".
But you know discussing this point on a ISA mailing list is pointless, since I
assume most of those who moan about Cisco to be doing ISA for a living - it's
what they know best. On a Cisco mailing list, that would be different, since
they know Cisco best, and probably only vaguely heard of ISA and ditch it in
the same way.
It all comes to an e-peepee size fight that comes stunningly close to downright
fanboyism.
And somehow making posts just to ditch the lastest PIX or anything cisco does
that is wrong strikes me as vaguely childish and reeks of self-justification,
somehow... I don't know. I try to stand neutral in my recommendations.
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De : Tiago de Aviz [mailto:Tiago@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Envoyé : 31 octobre 2005 08:01
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Objet : [isalist] RE: Nortel ISA Hardware Firewall
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I think that it could be easier, less-manual. I've dont it several times
myself, but I don't find it amusing to do. Cisco could do some better research
to make things better to upgrade and maintain.
Tiago de Aviz
SoftSell - Curitiba
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>>> thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 30/10/2005 17:00 >>>
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Hi Dr. Shanker-
I have several about the country at my different facilities- mainly for t1's
and integrated voice/data circuits. Damn good routers, if you asked me.
I've got some that are still in operation after 8 years of constant use, and
have never had a single problem with any of them-not even a fan going out.
But yes, it is that sort of performance that make people forget they even
have them, and thus, do not think they need attention. I totally agree with
you on that point. If Pescatoodles had any real insight (as you do) then he
would have made that point rather than blithe on about how "really really
really hard" it is to update the IOS. But hey, it may actually be really,
really, really hard for him. Copying over a .bin file, or just replacing
one in the tftp boot server and cycling the router is something my 4 year
can do, but I guess not everyone has his skilz ;)
t
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