This drives me nuts, wonder if anyone can help on a work around! Internal network - all web access is authenticated (company policy - document fair use policy in effect, user gets access when signed off by manager etc...) ISA 2000 (single nic) box is deployed JUST to allow SSO authentication with IE (and now firefox!!! YAY) via NTLM auth. Basic auth is not an option because of the obvious security implications of having everyones domain accoutn credentials oin the wire in clear text proxy.domainname.com:8080 is the proxy setting for all clients. Direct http outbound is not available (duh!) So now I have a new requirement. I have two LAN based Linux machines that need outbound http connections to get updates (normally - I use APS on my machine to do the auth for them and allow them an unauth'ed proxy access, but I need it permanently for a nagios check, so that is not exacly production worthy). Now NTLM is a proprietry protocol, so if anyone says anything about lack of support for it being the cause of my problems, I will personally rip them a new ahole. Unfortunately - it is also the only protocol that provides a level of security for the authentication process, and hence will continue to be our authentication method of choice. So I SIMPLY wanted to add another rule above the normal one that allows authenticated http access via the proxy that says for these IPs, allow outbound httpp without authentication. I cant use 'Direct Access' because I need access to ALL sites from CERTAIN hosts unauthenticated. To work around it i have poked a hole in the firewall to get the machines out directly. oh how id love to assign proxy access on a per rule basis!! or group basis! Anyone got any suggestions. and before you say it, If I uncheck the box (that says require authentication) on the web proxy filter, then anon connections are allowed. (The condition of being a member of the group WEBPROXY Users is not checked) so it doesnt work! Greg