A good firewall must include good router functionality in the same way a fish must include a PDA. This article and issue arises because folks choose to use a product outside of its design goals. You can scream in email all day long; it doesn't make you sound any more believable. Disabling an alert does not stop the blocking action, just the alerts that get generated from it. Learn to read what's written; not what you choose to make of it. Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison http://isatools.org Read the help, books and articles! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Idan Plotnik" <idan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 04:45 Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA Server is not a Firewall !!! http://www.kbalertz.com/Feedback_832659.aspx http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Thomas, Yesterday I came back from TechEd in Israel, I believe in the way Microsoft works and I am working a lot with Microsoft products, in additional I am doing some works for Microsoft, but this issue is not relevant to my work, I mean that this kind of Bugs must be discover before the product is going in to the market and not after 2 or 3 years!!! Don't you agree with me? Tell me something else, do you think it reasonable to disable the IP Spoof Detection option on a FIREWALL???!!!!???!!!! To enable another function to work properly???? And by the way!!! A good Firewall must include a good router functions!!! It's not a separate function, When I read your line "but since you've confused firewalls with routers" I laugh because it's not a good way of thinking!!! There are a lot of people that thinks that Firewall just blocks ports or protocols and it's not true Thanks and have a good day. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 1:00 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA Server is not a Firewall !!! http://www.kbalertz.com/Feedback_832659.aspx http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Idan, It's a good thing no other firewalls have any issues :-\ This is the first time I've done this on this list, but since you've confused firewalls with routers, I have to say PLONK. HTH, Tom Thomas W Shinder www.isaserver.org/shinder ISA 2004 Beta - Get it now! http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/beta/default.asp ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1 Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp -----Original Message----- From: Idan Plotnik [mailto:idan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 5:57 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] ISA Server is not a Firewall !!! http://www.kbalertz.com/Feedback_832659.aspx http://www.ISAserver.org Hi all, I don't know if I need to laugh or to cry about this!!! This issue closed my opinion about ISA 2000, and my opinion about ISA 2000 is that its not a firewall !!! 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