Hi Thor, I am subtracting two social credits from your ledger for that one. :-P Thanks! Tom www.isaserver.org/shinder Thomas W Shinder, M.D., MCSE, MCT -----Original Message----- From: Thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:10 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA, HTTPS, and Hotmail http://www.ISAserver.org It is the sound people make when they can't get their email!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carter, Elizabeth" <ecarter@xxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA, HTTPS, and Hotmail > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > What is OE? > > ***************************************** > Elizabeth C. Carter > Director of Information Technology > Virginia Episcopal School > 400 VES Road > Lynchburg, VA 24503 > 434-385-3665 office > 434-385-3667 fax > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W. Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:41 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA, HTTPS, and Hotmail > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > A ha! I see the difference. I have my password information stored on the > local machine, which you probably cannot do in an .edu environment. > > I can't think of a way to handle this kind of exception handling. That > is, to create an exception to a Protocol Rule based on a Site and > Content Rule or Destination Set. > > You might try having them access their Hotmail through OE. I don't > *believe* that goes through HTTPS. > > HTH, > Tom > www.isaserver.org/shinder > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D., MCSE, MCT > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carter, Elizabeth [mailto:ecarter@xxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:08 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA, HTTPS, and Hotmail > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > We are using Internet Explorer and going to Hotmail.com. After entering > a > hotmail username and password, the following link flashes up after, > which it > returns immediately to a non-https site. > > https://lc2.law5.hotmail.passport.com/cgi-bin/dologin > > > ***************************************** > Elizabeth C. Carter > Director of Information Technology > Virginia Episcopal School > 400 VES Road > Lynchburg, VA 24503 > 434-385-3665 office > 434-385-3667 fax > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W. Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:49 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA, HTTPS, and Hotmail > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > I can log in and check my mail. There is no trace of HTTPS. Are they > using something funky like MSN Explorer or something else unusual? > > Can they access their Hotmail account via OE? > > Thanks! > > Tom > www.isaserver.org/shinder > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D., MCSE, MCT > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carter, Elizabeth [mailto:ecarter@xxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:11 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA, HTTPS, and Hotmail > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > Are you actually logging IN to a hotmail account? The students can > access > the site, but can't log in. I can access the site and log in. The > only > difference between my account and the student accounts is the https > protocol > rule. > > ***************************************** > Elizabeth C. Carter > Director of Information Technology > Virginia Episcopal School > 400 VES Road > Lynchburg, VA 24503 > 434-385-3665 office > 434-385-3667 fax > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W. Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:34 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA, HTTPS, and Hotmail > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > Hmmm. When I connect to Hotmail is doesn't show any HTTPS entries in the > Web Proxy log. > > I also blocked HTTPS access and didn't have problems accessing Hotmail > via the browser. > > HTH, > Tom > www.isaserver.org/shinder > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D., MCSE, MCT > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carter, Elizabeth [mailto:ecarter@xxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:22 AM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA, HTTPS, and Hotmail > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > Perhaps I'm not making myself clear. The admin's, adults, etc. are fine > as > they are, the https protocol rule does not apply to them. But the > student > group is unable to log on to Hotmail, they are blocked because of the > https > rule, apparently hotmail requires it to log on? > > ***************************************** > Elizabeth C. Carter > Director of Information Technology > Virginia Episcopal School > 400 VES Road > Lynchburg, VA 24503 > 434-385-3665 office > 434-385-3667 fax > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 12:53 PM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] Re: ISA, HTTPS, and Hotmail > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > I don't envy you your job! I've seen the joy of trying to balance > access > lists for the public library; trying to keep the Internet raceway > running at > full speed while patching the guardrails is no easy task. > > The good news is that, while they _can_ use https to make their initial > Hotmail connection, there's no real need to do so. Hotmail will accept > https connections for sign-in, but drops the user back to http for the > rest > of the session. Thus, no benefit for using HTTPS to Hotmail. > > I would recommend following Tom's suggestion. > > Jim Harrison > MCP(2K), A+, Network+, PCG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carter, Elizabeth" <ecarter@xxxxxxx> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:32 AM > Subject: [isalist] ISA, HTTPS, and Hotmail > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > This may be a simple issue, but we need some assistance. We are a > boarding > high school and have blocked access to HTTPS sites with a protocol rule > for > the Student group on ISA. We do not want them going to sites such as > https://safeweb.com to bypass our internet content filtering which runs > on a > Compaq Tasksmart server. We do have the ports open on our Cisco router > and > the site is open on our Tasksmart filter/cache server so adults have > access > to https sites. However, we DO want the students to be able to use > Hotmail > accounts. Is there a way to allow access to this particular https site > without having to open all https sites? Thanks for any help you can > provide. > > ***************************************** > Elizabeth C. 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