Had you actually read the KB article or the security bulletin, you would have been forwarned. ;-) All hotfixes stop appropriate services to ensure that the bits get updated properly. Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! http://www.ISAserver.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format.