That's why we sell touch screens. Saves lots of headaches. -----Original Message----- From: josephk [mailto:josephk@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:43 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question http://www.ISAserver.org I prefer the customer support when a user gets to the edge of his mouse pad and they are unable To move the mouse cursor any more. Joseph -----Original Message----- From: Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:35 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question http://www.ISAserver.org We always like taking support calls from our customers that call in with this: Error: <Computername> has forced an election on the network. Is this bad? *pick up phone* Hi, yeah, ignore that, thanks. *hang up phone* *Closes support call with 5 seconds of time on it* Sweeeeeeeeet.... Soda break time!!! Kinda balances out them random, non-patterned BSOD's which take weeks/months/years of time to fix... =?P Now, if you were seeing that every few minutes all day long, then I'd say you have major issues.... -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:02 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question http://www.ISAserver.org Yep; here's a good description of Windows browser behavior (if a bit old): http://support.microsoft.com/?id=102878 ..and here's one that talks about the regsettings Troy mentioned: http://support.microsoft.com/?id=136712 Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! -----Original Message----- From: Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:35 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question http://www.ISAserver.org It's common to see a server come up and duke it out to be the master browser. My 2003 test network at home has this going on all the time thanks to a faulty power supply killing one of my servers a few times a day. There use to be a registry hack if I remember correctly to be able to leave it turned on but not have it force an election on the network. Don't know why that'd do you any good, might as well just leave it off then..... -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:07 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question http://www.ISAserver.org Not taking it as rude... The fact is, either: 1 - it didn't occur until after you installed ISA or 2 - you didn't notice it until you installed ISA ..either way, neither fact points to ISA in particular and no; ISA doesn't change the browser service behavior in any way. Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! -----Original Message----- From: Andrew English [mailto:andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:02 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Jim, Not to sound rude, but the browser issue only happens on ISA 2004 servers, I have other standard 2003 servers in the same network which don't hassle me about wanting to be the master browser. Therefore like it or not the evidence points back to ISA, maybe ISA installs something which forces Windows 2003 standard server to behave the way it does?? Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:42 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question http://www.ISAserver.org Again; it's Windows, not ISA that owns and operates the Browser service. ISA isn't doing it, Windows is. ISA neither knows nor cares about the Windows Browser service. The same behavior is seen if ISA 2000 is installed on the exact same machine in the exact same environment. Browser services will always "battle for supremacy" if they're enabled and running; it's their nature. Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! -----Original Message----- From: Andrew English [mailto:andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:26 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question http://www.ISAserver.org Thanks Jim, However is it normal for ISA 2004 to do this? Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:35 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 Question http://www.ISAserver.org Windows machines compete for the master browser role according to OS and domain role. You can disable the browser service without any real problems unless you really like "browsing" the network. Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! -----Original Message----- From: Andrew English [mailto:andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:02 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] ISA 2004 Question http://www.ISAserver.org I have noticed on a couple ISA 2004 Server installs that I have done that the DC reports the ISA wanting to be the master browser in the System Event logs. I wonder if it's okay to disable the Computer Browser on the ISA machine? In both cases the ISA machines have been running on Windows 20003 Server Standard in their own boxes connected to the DC like you'd connect any old workstation. 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