RE: Firefox is a slow pig
- From: "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:25:23 -0400
I love it! Here's another one for you. I have a client who wanted
wireless networking installed on his network just for when he brings in
his home laptop. I stalled because I've seen that cesspool laptop before
and I didn't want it infecting the rest of the network. Until, I had my
laptop in their office one day and discovered an unsecured wireless
network with a strong signal! Now he can bring in his laptop in anytime
and surf the 'net to his hearts content on that laptop.
p.s. that open wireless network has to be coming from a nearby business.
There aren't any houses around.
Amy
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:13 AM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: Firefox is a slow pig
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Hey Shawn,
First, I've got firefox running and it does seem faster than IE now :)
Second, you bring up an interesting issue, re: teenagers and computers.
Its amazing that the media considers teenagers to be "computer geniuses"
as a group, because they are able to install spyware, scumware, viruses
and worms faster than anyone else. We have one computer that teenagers
are allowed near in our network, its in its own DMZ, has access only to
HTTP, and is subject to site blocking and the HTTP security filter. If
they don't like it, then they can connect to any one of our neighbor's
WAPs that are unsecured :)
Tom
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Quillman Shawn (RBNA/CSA1) *
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>
> All XP Home. Not that big of an issue in my professional environments
> because of all of the added security measures I have in place (only a
> few that have gotten eaten) but you get those people home and all hell
> breaks loose... Actually, you get these people home letting their
> teen-agers on the machines and all hell breaks loose. Especially the
> guys hitting the gaming sites.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:44 AM
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> What OS are you running? I have thousands of kids using these
> computers
> in ways that would make you pull your hair out watching them. I have
> only maybe 2-3 computers per year that get messed up to the
> point where
> a "rebuild" would be necessary (I just re-image instead).
> Out of about
> 1200 computers, that is an extremely low percentage. I remember
> problems like that with Win98, but WinXP is awfully solid.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Quillman Shawn (RBNA/CSA1) *
> [mailto:Shawn.Quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:23 PM
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> Subject: [isalist] RE: Firefox is a slow pig
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>
> One sole reason to switch a lot of my folks: No ActiveX support. No
> BullSh!+ making it in through piss-poor security configurations and
> eating the machine. 100% of the people I've switched have
> not touched a
> Windows disc since while previously I was rebuilding every 6-8 weeks.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 5:37 PM
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> Yep, four 17" monitors, at 1152x864 resolution, definitely a
> nice setup.
> I keep trying to talk them into letting me get a LCD panel array (one
> with like nine screens), but they won't buy it for me...
>
> I used to have 10-20 windows open at a time back when I was using a
> dial-up connection, just because they loaded so god-awful
> slow. But now
> I don't have nearly as many, just the ones I'm actively using. If I
> pursue a new train of thought (web research), I open a new window, and
> browse from there. If there are several links on one page that I want
> to review, I right-click each of them and open them in a new window.
> Then, when I'm done with following that line of research, I
> simply close
> that window. I know the ones left open are the ones I'm not
> done with.
> Right now I have several windows open, of which four of them are IE
> windows. I need to have one open for our website (for some
> reason they
> want me to change something hourly or so...). I have another one open
> on www.isaserver.org (was researching certificate
> information). I have
> another one open on a forum I was asking for help on. And one more on
> our website where I'm not logged in, and viewing anonymously. So yes,
> the concept of following multiple web threads is very well known to
> me...
>
> The difference between that and tabbed browsing? Not much, I can move
> the windows around a lot more, each window has its own tab on the task
> bar instead of in one window... In all, not much at all is different,
> in fact the "lack" of "tabbed browsing" seems appealing to me... If
> there is some other aspect of it that I'm missing, please let me know.
>
> Agreed, the alt-tab feature can be quite annoying, so I rarely use it
> anymore. I find that if I'm browsing the web, I rarely need to do any
> actual typing, so my hand is already on the mouse and I can
> click on the
> tab in the task bar to switch between windows.
>
> Pop-up blocker, yep IE has one, and it works pretty good. I see a
> couple of them get by occasionally, but I've almost forgotten what a
> pop-up looks like!
>
> Block Image, that is an interesting concept, possibly quite useful.
> Although, you shouldn't get all that many pop-ups to block in
> the first
> place...
>
> LMHOST files, I can't remember the last time I've had to edit one. In
> Windows 3.11 I had to use them a lot, NT4 I used them a
> couple of times,
> but I don't think I've had to edit one in at least five years now. I
> found that anything that required a redirection like that
> could also be
> done in the DNS server with a lot less manual labor.
>
> It's not that I'm "against" Firefox, it's just that
> personally I haven't
> found any good reason to switch to it. Tabbed browsing does
> not in the
> least sound appealing, and none of the other "features" people rave
> about seem like anything I'd use either.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:40 PM
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> Ok, let's say I only have a one 14" monitor...... (4 monitors! Wow...)
>
> First, I don't have 11 open tasks in the task bar. Right now
> other than
> FF and IE, I have 6 different programs in the task bar. Add one more
> and not all of them are down there. Pain the butt to ALT+Tab
> through 18
> different things to get to the one I want or switch my hands to the
> mouse just to click a window to have focus.
>
> Second (for me) is opening new links in a new tab in the same browser
> window. Ever work on more than one thing at once? Like
> three different
> trouble tickets for completely different software packages? It's nice
> to keep all the info I've found for one ticket all in one browsers
> window. No flipping through 15+ windows looking for that
> registry hack
> or that MS KB article that you found through Google because you're
> working on multiple things. All nice and organized.
>
> Third, built in pop-up blocker. It's awesome. IE has it,
> yes, I know.
> Does IE have tabbed browsing? Nope.
>
> Fourth, right click, block image. After doing it for a few
> days, banner
> ads and other things like that don't show up anymore. Nice when you're
> at work and sometimes not so work friendly banners sometimes pop-up on
> web pages from doing web searches. And not tracking and editing LMHOST
> files anymore to keep up with things....
>
> And I use a bunch of extensions at home for things (like
> adding ActiveX
> support for my gf so she can use all of her web game stuff *eye roll*)
> and have it customized to heck and back. Do all of the
> extensions work
> flawlessly? No. But some of them are handy to have.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:15 AM
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> Tabbed browsing is something that I just don't understand how
> it is more
> useful. In IE I right-click on a link, choose open in new window, and
> there it is. Since I have four monitors on my computer, I move that
> window to a different monitor and I can then compare documents
> side-by-side. If I wanted to switch between different open
> windows on a
> single-monitor system, there are tabs in the taskbar to click back and
> forth between different pages.
>
> So, what is the advantage of "tabbed browsing"? Other than
> restricting
> everything to one window instead of being able to spread them
> out, I see
> no difference than IE. Actually, it seems like more of a hindrance.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Radtke [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:17 AM
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> I've had lots of photo editing software in the past do the same thing,
> where they grab the file association and then when uninstalled, they
> don't put it back to the MS default or the last program before them
> (hint to any and all developers out there: a choice like that at
> uninstall would be nice!)
>
> Tabbed browsing has really changed the way I surf web pages. It took a
> few days to get use to it, but now I have a hard time not using it.
> It's great to be able to right click and "open in tabs" and
> I've got all
> of the pages for all of my troubleshooting sites open, loaded, and
> waiting for me to flip around to when I want them, all in one browser
> window that sits nice and compact in the task bar.
>
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