RE: External Network Logic
- From: "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:16:41 -0500
But servers have no purpose other than to serve clients. In servitude
they must remain regardless of how "clean" you think you've made them.
Amy
Harbor Computer Services
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-----Original Message-----
From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:52 PM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
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Man- what one typo can mess up...
I meant:
I am NOT talking about the back-to-back DMZ with an Exchange FE
Perimeter.
I AM talking about a new machine that goes between the clients machines
and
the servers. That's all it does-- separates the filthy, nasty, cesspool
of
festering client scum from my beautiful, clean, and perfectly configured
servers.
t
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
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How many hops does that make to the Internet for the Internal network
PC's?
Amy
Harbor Computer Services
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-----Original Message-----
From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:06 PM
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Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
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OK- just so we're on the same page-- I'm not talking about my
back-to-back
DMZ config that does indeed have a DMZ Perimeter network on the BE ISA
for
my FE Exchange server. That's done.
I'm not talking about a NEW box going into my internal network to
physically
separate client systems from server systems. That's the one I was
talking
about having 2 nics with no "External" resources.
t
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:41 PM
Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> This isn't a back-to-back config. This is a single server going in
> between my clients and my servers... There won't be a way to "NAT to
the
> Internet" in that config as the only defined rule will be a route
> relationship from the Perimeter to the Internal.
>
> I understand the concept that "Internet" is is the default gateway,
but in
> this case, there can't be a "Nat" relationship anywhere.
> t
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:25 PM
> Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
>
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> No, the Internet is always there, unless you're talking about a
> caponized ISA firewall (single NIC).
>
> The Internet is reached via the NIC with the default gateway defined
on
> it, which in a back to back config would be the internal interface of
> the FE ISA firewall.
>
> There is one point of confusion induced by the UI -- and that's the
> ability to create an "external Network". There is no difference from
> the firewall's point of view between a perimeter Network and an
external
> Network. So, you can create another external Network if you like, but
> its *exactly the same* as a perimeter network from ISA's
multinetworking
> point of view. The default External Network is always there (except
for
> the unihomed ISA firewall).
>
> For example, if a client on the default Internal Network connects to a
> host on the perimeter network between the ISA firewalls, the
connections
> are routed and the source IP address is not replaced. If a host on the
> default internal Network connects to an IP addresses that is part of
the
> default External Network (which is the Internet) the connection will
be
> NATed.
>
> The ISA firewall's ability to enable control over your route
> relationships really does give you a lot of flexibility.
>
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:39 PM
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>> Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
>>
>> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>> One thing though, just so I understand-- How would I NAT to
>> the Internet?
>> There *is no* "Internet" per se in a 2 NIC config with both
>> defined as ISA
>> Firewall Networks, right? There would be route relationship from the
>> Internal to the DMZ Perimeter. The Internet would only exist if an
>> Interface was added and not defined elsewhere, correct?
>> t
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:01 PM
>> Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
>>
>>
>> http://www.ISAserver.org
>>
>> The default External Network is defined as all addresses that
>> defined by
>> any other ISA firewall Network. So, there is still an
>> external network,
>> you just don't have any access to it, since you've created
>> ISA firewall
>> Networks for both the NIC (one for the default Internal
>> Network and one
>> for the ISA firewall Network representing the perimeter network NIC).
>>
>> You can use this in a number of scenarios, like turning the
>> DMZ between
>> the BE and FE ISA firewall into an ISA firewall Network and creating
a
>> route Network Rule between that and the default Internal Network, but
>> still NAT'ing to the Internet. Pretty slick, eh?
>>
>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>> Site: www.isaserver.org
>> Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
>> **Who is John Galt?**
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:57 PM
>> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
>> > Subject: [isalist] External Network Logic
>> >
>> > http://www.ISAserver.org
>> >
>> > So, you've got ISA with 2 NIC's. You define the Internal
>> > range on one NIC,
>> > leaving the other NIC as "External." You then add a
>> > perimeter network, and
>> > give it the IP range of what used to be the "External" NIC.
>> > What happens to
>> > the concept of the External network since you now have a
>> > trusted Internal
>> > network and a less trusted "Perimeter" network, but no real
>> > "External"
>> > network anymore. Will it just be an "empty" network set
>> > sitting there all
>> > alone in the cold, cold ground?
>> >
>> > t
>> >
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