[isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA server
- From: "Glenn P. JOHNSTON" <glenn.johnston@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:28:52 +1000
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The linksys unit Tom's link points at is infact the unit I have taken to the
Director in Melbourne.
It's working a treat.
But his still yelling and screaming, now about having to carry and extra
500grams of weight home !
What an A. Hole !
I'm also suprised to see them using a 192.168.110.x range, the reason I suggest
them using something well away from the common, 192.168.0.x, 192.168.1.x or
192.168.2.x range was that most home BB routers 'out of the box' use these
ranges, as do the hotels I've come across in the past. I assumed, incorrectly.
that we'd be pretty safe moving well out of these common addresses ranges
Another one we came across a few weeks back, was the inability to establish a
VPN link, this user was far more willing to be of assistance in sorting the
issue. Turns out the hotel's BB service was locked down, only allowing port 80
or 443 through. Everything else was blocked.
Fortunately, in that instance the user was quite happy to use OWA for a few
days. So it was only a minor issue.
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: Thu 29/Jun/2006 06:59
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA server
Or maybe this one?
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4x1 inches.
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[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:48 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA server
OK, like Thor said, you can only access the SBS box. Is this the only
requirement?
One option is to enable RDP connections to the SBS box, then within
that RDP session, create a second RDP session to the destination box.
Pretty suboptimal. I'll go with Tim's idea and get a NAT device out to
the boss.
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From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:19 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA
server
Or you can assign VPN clients the autonet address in your VPN
server configuration. I'm preparing an article on how to do this.
Tom
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of D PIETRUSZKA USWRN INTERLINK
INFRA
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:20 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA
server
Why not just create two VPN's, one with 1 subnet and the other
one with another subnet, you won't have this problem again no matter on which
hotel your customer stay.
For us OWA/RPC HTTP don't work because we use RSA to
authenticate user on OWA.
Regards
Diego R. Pietruszka
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[mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:57 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA
server
Until the one you switch to is on a 10. network and all the
work Tom did with the internal IP stuff is all for naught. ;)
I'm telling ya... This is becoming way more and more common.
I'm surprised to see this dude's hotel on 192.168.110 (I really am) but it's
actually becoming more common for some of my people to be on conflicting nets,
particularly when they give you a 10.0.0.0 address on a 255.0.0.0 subnet.
Hence the need for a localized NAT solution- OWA/RCPoHTTP is fine when all you
need is email stuff, but when you've got to be RDP'ing into multiple servers,
accessing SQL boxes, hitting VoIP equipment, etc., publishing scenarios just
don't cut it...
I've tried lots of different things at varying degrees of
complexity (like a virtual pc install, Kerio routing tricks, KY jelly, etc) but
I've found that keeping things limited to the "plug THIS into THAT, then plug
THAT into the OTHER THING" mentality is the best.
That's really why most of my mobile people have the high speed
EVDO solutions (we use verizon) so that we don't really have to worry about it.
Hotel connections are usually way faster, but EVDO works all the time (most of
the time, anyway).
I can actually envision a market for a little USB device that
NAT's the connection all the time for the true "road warrior" that spends a lot
of time on other people's networks.
t
On 6/28/06 7:51 AM, "Jonathon J. Howey" <Jonathon@xxxxxxxx>
spoketh to all:
A non-technical solution: Wouldn't it of been easier to tell
the Directory to switch hotels? :p
But then that wouldn't be any fun for you guys...
Jonathon J. Howey
MENSE Inc.
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On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
Sent: June 28, 2006 8:31 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA
server
Nice tip!
Thanks!
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On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:19 AM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA
server
You'll still hit it. The router will be given the local IP
just like a lappy would, and you'll hit it via the NAT'd connection. Do it
all the time.
t
On 6/28/06 6:51 AM, "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
spoketh to all:
What if that broadband router has to interact with a log on
page?
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On Behalf Of Glenn P. JOHNSTON
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:18 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the
ISA server
Plan is, I am going to take;
1.
2. A linksys 4 port BB router, to plug in between the
hotels BB, and his notebook, which I think will do the trick nicely.
3.
4.
5. A wireless broadband card, just in case.
6.
7.
8. A second notebook with the companys SOE on it, also
just in case.
9.
10.
11. My Wife, it will be a nice little day or two away for
us.
________________________________
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Thor (Hammer
of God)
Sent: Wed 28/Jun/2006 14:06
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA
server
http://www.ISAserver.org
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You gonna add a new IP to the server, bring a little NAT
router, or both? ;)
t
On 6/27/06 9:00 PM, "Glenn P. JOHNSTON"
<glenn.johnston@xxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh
to all:
> I don't believe it.
>
> I've just been offered a return first class plane ticket, a
nights
> accomodation, 2 nights if need be, all expenses + how ever
many hours it takes
> at my normal hourly rate to go see the director in person
and fix this for him
> so he can get his e-mail !
>
> "Well I'll loose a whole day on this", "Fine, then charge
us for every hour
> your away, just get it fixed !"
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Thor
(Hammer of God)
> Sent: Wed 28/Jun/2006 13:45
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA
server
>
>
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>
> OWA would be a great "backup" solution in the rare case
where the local
> Ethernet LAN is the same logical subnet as their own
offices, even if he
> couldn't sync. But, in your case of having a jackass for a
client, you're
> kind of stuck.
>
> An easier thing to do would be to get a little Linksys NAT
router to stick
> in between. Plug the hotel ethernet to the "Internet"
port, and plug the
> laptop into a "LAN" port. That way he'll get a local
192.168.1 address and
> have no problems. Plus, there is no configuration needed
at all. The
> defaults will work just fine. Just plug it in and go.
>
> t
>
>
> On 6/27/06 8:29 PM, "Glenn P. JOHNSTON"
<glenn.johnston@xxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh
> to all:
>
>> I'm told he refuses to use OWA as he can't sync his mail
with the OST on his
>> notebook. There is just no helping some people, no matter
how hard you try to
>> be helpful and solve their problem, they just refuse all
help on principle !
>>
>> Also they passed on to me, that in his yelling and
screaming his demanding to
>> know 'Why someone did not realise this would happen, and
get it fixed before
>> hand, so I can get my e-mail"
>>
>> I really feel sorry for the IT guy at the site, his early
20's, finished a
>> development oriented IT degree last year, is quite bright
really, but is
>> still
>> just learning the finer points of the winserver
environment, supporting XP
>> etc, and it working toward his MCSE, having passed the
first 2 exams in the
>> last couple of months. He reports to this Director, and
from what I can see,
>> gets one hell of a serve from him as soon as anything a
little bit odd
>> occurs.
>>
>> I can't see a away around this, without the Director
having to do something
>> out of the ordinary, which apparently, is just not an
option, and have just
>> told them that.
>>
>> I've suggested the only possibly way, I can see, is to go
out and purchase a
>> wireless broadband card from someone local, get it on the
net, set up a
>> notebook with it and his e-mail, and get it express
couriered to him. He'd
>> have it early eveing or first thing in the morning.
>>
>> There was a chocking sound on the other end of the phone,
"but then he'd have
>> to carry 2 notebooks back ! " and "What do I do if he gets
it and it does not
>> work ?" ..................................
>>
>> Find another job came to mind..
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Thor
(Hammer of God)
>> Sent: Wed 28/Jun/2006 12:49
>> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the ISA
server
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>>
>> Well, it would have worked other than the gw on the hotel
being the same as
>> the SBS box... Bad luck there. But, I've had to do this
several times for
>> the exact same scenario with my people. Seems the
Marriott and I thought
>> alike in our IP schemes ;)
>>
>> You could always just add another IP address to the SBS
box (well, you could
>> if it were a "regular" server install-- I don't know what
you'd have to go
>> through on SBS to do that.) That would work, though.
>>
>> Not much we can do about a guy who wants to scream more
than get the job
>> done, though. I'd tell him that if he wanted his email to
STFU and do what
>> was needed. It's not like it is anyone's "fault." There
are other options
>> you have, but they would all require him doing *something*.
>>
>> I'm assuming that OWA is not an option for some reason?
>>
>> t
>>
>>
>> On 6/27/06 7:37 PM, "Glenn P. JOHNSTON"
<glenn.johnston@xxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh
>> to all:
>>
>>> The internal IP of the SBS server is 192.168.110.2, G/W
on the hotel BB
>>> service is also 192.168.110.2 unfortunately !
>>>
>>> I tried the static route on my home ADSL service by
changing the internal
>>> private IP to match the Hotel's to play with, and
everything else works, I
>>> can
>>> get to the internet and other clients networks fine, but
I can not get to
>>> anything on the remote network after the tunnel is
connected, of the client
>>> with the problem.
>>>
>>> Putting the static route in I doubt will work anyway, the
fellow will
>>> probably
>>> just yell and scream as soon as he is asked to do
anything remotely
>>> technical,
>>> expecting it to be magically fixed from this end.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Thor
(Hammer of God)
>>> Sent: Wed 28/Jun/2006 12:27
>>> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [isalist] Re: Error establishing a VPN to the
ISA server
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>>>
>>> All he has to do is set a static route for the SBS box's
IP to the gateway
>>> address of the VPN endpoint.
>>>
>>> IOW, if the SBS box is 192.168.110.101, and his PPP VPN
interface got
>>> assigned something like 192.168.110.11 from the RRAS
server (do an IP config
>>> to see what ip his PPP adapter is, or look at the RRAS
properties of the
>>> connection) then you would have him do a:
>>>
>>> ROUTE -p add 192.168.110.101 mask 255.255.255.255
192.168.110.11
>>>
>>> That way, when he attempts to access the SBS server, the
request will route
>>> down the VPN rather than broadcasting on the "local"
192.168.110.x network.
>>>
>>> t
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/27/06 7:13 PM, "Glenn P. JOHNSTON"
<glenn.johnston@xxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh
>>> to all:
>>>
>>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, maybe not directly and ISA question, and I've
posted this in an SBS
>>>> forum as well, but you people are pretty bright & I
thought you might have
>>>> some worth while input on this.
>>>>
>>>> One of my clients has an issue with VPN tunnel. This has
been inplace since
>>>> Sunday afternoon, but they only rang me this morning.
>>>>
>>>> One of their directors is at a week long conference, and
the Hotel where he
>>>> is
>>>> staying, has provides an in room broadband service.
>>>> The BroadBand in the hotel is using a 192.168.110.0/24
address range, the
>>>> internal address of the clients network at the office is
also a
>>>> 192.168.110.0/24 range.
>>>>
>>>> The VPN tunnel establishes fine, and the VPN connector
on his notebook get
>>>> an
>>>> address, of course, in the 192.168.110.100 to
192.168.110.199 range of the
>>>> DHCP server on the SBS server.
>>>>
>>>> Once the tunnel is established, he can acess nothing on
the SBS. This is to
>>>> be
>>>> expected as the address ranges are the same, does anyone
have any bright
>>>> idea's on how to get around this. The Director is
yelling and screaming
>>>> about
>>>> not being able to get his e-mail.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately he is out out direct reach in another
state, and has very
>>>> little
>>>> tolerance for such problems.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Glenn
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