Actually, the key word was "caveat" used in conjunction with "many." The use
of "development" would be second in emphasis.
And I said MCP's or Channel Partners (or anyone else who may buy or qualify
for a Universal
Subscription). I didn't say MVP or MSD.
I shall elaborate:
The Universal Subscription does indeed allow some products to be used for production purposes. While normal production use is indeed prohibited, the acceptions are as follows (I've provided a link for reference):
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/faq/default.aspx#licensing
<snip> a.. One exception is that the MSDN Universal Subscription comes with one license to Desktop Applications (typically on blue discs) such as Microsoft Office Professional Enterprise Edition 2003 (which includes Microsoft Word, Access, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, InfoPath, OneNote and Publisher), Visio Standard 2003, and Project Standard 2003 for business use directly related to the design, development, test, and/or demonstration of software projects. For example, you can use Project to manage a development project, use Visio to diagram your application, etc. a.. In addition, one copy of Office Professional Enterprise Edition 2003 can be used for general business use, unrelated to development and testing. Again, only persons with an MSDN Universal Subscription license can use these Microsoft Office products in this manner. </snip>
Other programs not specifically listed but that may also be used in production are Front Page 2003, MapPoint, Small Business Manager, and even Great Plains 7.5 (since the acquisition.)
In addition to the above allowance for use "directly related to the design, development, test, etc," my reference to some MSDN programs that may be used for "development" of applications is explained in the FAQ:
<snip> a.. Can I use the Visual Studio product to create an executable file and distribute this file for sale?
Yes. Applications, utilities, and executables you develop using Visual Studio, Access, or Office Developer can be distributed to customers royalty-free, pursuant to the terms of the corresponding End-User License Agreement (EULA). In addition, there are many redistributable components included with Visual Studio, which you are welcome to incorporate into your applications and distribute for free pursuant to the terms of the Visual Studio EULA. Please note there is a royalty for Microsoft server products that are distributed with applications. For more information see the Product Integration Program.
a.. Can I use Office, Project, and Visio for development and testing of applications?
Yes. Office Professional Enterprise Edition 2003, Project Standard and Visio Standard can be used for business use directly related to the design, development, testing and demonstration phases of building applications. In addition, one copy of Office Professional Enterprise Edition 2003 can be used for general business use by each licensed MSDN Universal subscriber. Project Professional 2003, Project Server 2003 and Microsoft Office Project Server 2003 Client Access License are not currently available for business purposes under the MSDN licensing agreement. </snip>
So, simply put, you do indeed get a license to use a copy of the above products included in the Universal MSDN kit to design, develop, and distribute customized solutions to one's customer base- that's what I meant by "install the software in "production" environments when the environment exists to develop solutions for the company's clients."
Regarding support, it is based on the MSDN subscription type. Personally, I get 5 support incidents a year for free for whatever product I want (as long as it was in my kit.) Each incident is supported to its resolution, regardless of how long it takes. The normal Universal MSDN kit includes 4, but the same rules apply. So, if I load Exchange Server 2003 for testing, and something doesn't work properly, I can get full support of the issue by using one of my incidents. Same for SQL, Visual Basic, ISA, etc.
<snip> MSDN Subscriptions in North America include technical support incidents for products that ship with an MSDN subscription.
a.. MSDN Universal includes four technical support incidents and managed newsgroup support.* b.. MSDN Enterprise includes three technical support incidents and managed newsgroup support. c.. MSDN Professional includes two technical support incidents and managed newsgroup support. d.. MSDN Operating Systems includes two technical support incidents and managed newsgroup support. MSDN subscribers outside North America, please visit MSDN Support Options.
* Microsoft Certified Partners Subscribers receive access to MSDN public newsgroups and additional technical support provided through Microsoft for Partners. Above incidents and newsgroup support are not included. </snip>
Ni.
T
http://www.ISAserver.org
The key phrase in your missive was "development". MSDN bits are not to be used to "serve your company", but to allow you to work with the product to learn and develop your deployment / add-on.
The EULA term "production" is not as you describe, where an MVP or MSD is working towards a whitepaper / deployment solution, but where a business is using it to serve their office web site / browsing needs. I've had to disappoint more than one "customer" when they wanted to "extend the timeout", or wanted to get PSS support for MSDN subscriptions. The support for MSDN is very limited and assumes that the subscriber has something more than a minimum of knowledge.
-----Original Message----- From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:28 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: Difference between MSDN version and RTM version of ISA 2004
http://www.ISAserver.org
Not to sound as if I disagree, but one should note that while comparing
"MSDN" to "RTM" may seem analogous (in its true sense), they should not be considered "identical."
MSDN is a subscription to products; RTM is a product version. The RTM version will always be thus, while the bits on the MSDN subscription are
updated to include slipstreamed service packs and hotfixes (like XP PRO SP1a or SQL 2000 SP3) as they become available. In regard to ISA 2004, whoever said to "wait for the update" had it backwards- the RTM version was available for general distribution far before it was published in the MSDN. The other poster who said not to use the MSDN bits for production, as if it was not stable, un-supported, or in some way to always be assumed as "beta," was also incorrect-- unless, of course, the version included in the MSDN
subscription was a beta to begin with.
Also, there is a caveat to the "not supported on production servers" EULA for many of the platforms included in one's MSDN subscription: MCP's or
Channel Partners (which I am) can use the volume licenses (based on tier) to install the software in "production" environments when the environment exists to develop solutions for the company's clients.
Just had to add my .02....
T
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MSDN version is not supported on production servers (part of the EULA you agree to when you install). Functionally, they're identical.
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From: michel girgis [mailto:michel_girgis@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 16:18 To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: Difference between MSDN version and RTM version of ISA 2004
http://www.ISAserver.org yes you should wait
tim S <tim724342@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.ISAserver.org I was wondering if there is any difference between MSDN and RTM release of ISA 2004.
I already setup the ISA 2004 using MSDN version and in the process of applying for a license for the production environment. So I was wondering if I should wait until I get the RTM copy.
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