Question, what is the advantage of using a layer 3 switch over say a Linksys router with an 8 port switch built in to create a separate subnet or VLAN? The Linksys router is cheaper that a layer 3 switch. OR, what is a good manufacture of layer 3 switches other than 3com or Cisco? John Tolmachoff IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Schiebrel [mailto:SSchiebrel@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:20 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] Re: Clever Users http://www.ISAserver.org change all your switches to layer 3.. then subnet the ip addresses so that if they change their IP address, they no longer work ( routing won't allow them to connect) then allow that "subnet" to connect to the internet or not at your whim. A little creative subnetting can go a long way.. most new layer 3 switches aren't expensive and can support up to 16 different subnets.. we are looking at doing just this... it also has the very nice side benefit of stopping broadcast storms across a flat switched network.