[isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
- From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:32:49 -0800
http://www.ISAserver.org
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Well now... CacheDir now shows up all manner of crap, and the
download.html was one of them, although it is not supposed to be cached.
That's Steve's fault!!
Anyway, I marked it as obsolete, and that fixed it.
Go figure.
t
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:11 AM
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> OK - it's doing it again right now.
>
> Updated the internal site, works internally, but the "old" page is
> displayed. What exactly are we looking for?
>
> t
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:19 AM
> > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I'll get on it!
> >
> > t
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:55 AM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Exactly; which is why restarting ISA service having changed this
> > > behavior is so interesting.
> > > I'd still like to see the log entries from your testing time frame
> > for
> > > that site.
> > > Something interesting may well pop up.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:17 AM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Indeed - no failed requests, no errors, just the "old" page. Even
> > with
> > > the internal site shut down (tested both with the site stopped and
> > the
> > > web server service stopped) the site still showed up. So, there
> must
> > > be
> > > some issue with IIS7 and ISA caching - even though the site was
> (and
> > > still is) part of the non-cache sites. Steve tested caching rules
> > this
> > > morning, and they worked (I don't think caching was even enabled).
> > >
> > > Jim said something about the "CacheDir" only showing what was on
> disk
> > -
> > > -
> > > the site has been running for months with no changes at all. If
it
> > was
> > > being cached by design, it would certainly have shown up by
then...
> > But
> > > again, caching was off - or it was supposed to be off, anyway.
And
> > the
> > > meta tags on the site prevent IIS caching...
> > >
> > > t
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:42 AM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > No failed request...it was just showing the old page. Obviously
> it
> > > was
> > > > cached somewhere.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:37 AM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Got ISA logs for the failed requests?
> > > > The s-cache-info field should help.
> > > > Otherwise, we'd need a network crapture.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:34 AM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > I restarted ISA and the updated page displayed. He restarted
IIS7
> a
> > > few
> > > > times.
> > > >
> > > > Cache was disabled.
> > > >
> > > > His site is the only one that seems to be affected by this. All
> my
> > > > sites show updated pages when they've been edited. As does
> > ISATools.
> > > >
> > > > I have enabled the cache, and his site ain't in it, because it's
> in
> > > the
> > > > no cache rule. (as are mine).
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:23 AM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > I thought Tim said you guys restarted the ISA?
> > > > ..or was that the web server?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:19 AM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Just to put the cat in amongst the pigeons...cache was disabled.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:59 AM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > I was actually about to suggest that it has something to do with
> > > IIS7,
> > > > 'cos all the other sites update fine and do not require a
restart
> > of
> > > > the service.
> > > >
> > > > S
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:46 AM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > FYI - I just made more changes, hit F5, and they immediately
> > > refreshed
> > > > as expected. Must be some IIS7/Win2k8 voodoo.
> > > >
> > > > t
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:10 PM
> > > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > I think Steve tried that, but I can't be sure... (restarting
> the
> > > > > service, that is).
> > > > >
> > > > > t
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:02 PM
> > > > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry for hiding - paying customers, yano...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, all it would have taken is a services restart.
> > > > > > You have to remember that cachedir only sees what's on disk.
> > > > > > If ISA hasn't dumped it to the file, cachedir can't see it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms814069.aspx is
the
> > > > correct
> > > > > > answer to clearing specific content from the ISA cache.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:21 PM
> > > > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It required a reboot of the server - which ain't good, but
it
> > is
> > > > what
> > > > > > it is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone have an idea why?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > t
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:37 PM
> > > > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is nothing listed at all in CacheDir.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > t
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 4:10 PM
> > > > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not reflecting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Try using CacheDir.exe to find the file.Would be
interesting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > > > > Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/>
> > > > > > Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> > > > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > > > > MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:48 PM
> > > > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not
> > reflecting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, the new file has the correct date/time stamp.
> As
> > I
> > > > > said,
> > > > > > it works internally, just not through ISA...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tried the Ctrl-F5 trick, and that doesn't work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is happened before, and I'm not sure what I did
> to
> > > fix
> > > > > it
> > > > > > (other than maybe rebooting).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any other ideas? This is quite strange...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > t
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayo, Bill
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:41 PM
> > > > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: Changes in web site not
> > reflecting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have seen this happen where the updated files on
> the
> > > > > internal
> > > > > > site actually have an older date than the ones they
replaced.
> > > The
> > > > > > solution for this is to "touch" the files to update the
> > > > modification
> > > > > > date.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill Mayo
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:48 PM
> > > > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Changes in web site not
reflecting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, we and an un-named Scot can't figga this one
out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Typical web publishing rule - everything works fine.
> > > > > However,
> > > > > > if I change content on the internal server, when you view
the
> > > site
> > > > > > externally (via ISA) the "old" content is still there like
> it's
> > > > > cached
> > > > > > or something. Viewing the site internally shows the new
> > content.
> > > > > Even
> > > > > > disabling and re-enabling the rule exhibits the same
behavior
> > > > > > (disabling the pub rule prevents access to the site as
> > expected).
> > > > > The
> > > > > > site is exempt from ISA caching rules. The internal server
> > has
> > > > been
> > > > > > rebooted, etc (which you would not have to do, but just
> letting
> > > you
> > > > > > know).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WTF is going on here? What have I forgotten?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > t
> > > > > >
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