[isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:44:27 -0500
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Marked for response when my blood level is under 0.08 :)
-----Original Message-----
From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:06 PM
To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
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Dude, you KNOW *I* understand, but the other side of the context is that
even if it is a police forum, and even if we're all packing DE's, that
doesn't mean that a Derringer won't kill you dead on the spot - it's not
if the tombstone says "Killed by DE" or "Killed by Derringer," it's that
you've got a tombstone at all...
What I walked away with from Ray's comment is that we could all be a bit
more tolerant of others coming to this forum where mixed vendors and
mixed technologies are concerned, and where our replies are "you're an
idiot for doing that" as opposed to "here's how you would go about doing
that, however, bear in mind that the basis for your goals (in our view)
may be flawed because of X,Y, and Z."
That's all. But, let me get some brown liquor in me and I'll probably
be right on board with the rest of you crusty bastards ;)
t
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:37 PM
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>
> But consider the context, OK?
>
> It's like someone coming into a police forum and saying:
>
> "I have a derringer at the front door (ASA) and I wonder how to use it
> with my Desert Eagle .50 (ISA Firewall) in my bedroom"
>
> What do you think the response is going to be?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:06 PM
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>
> That's why you can't communicate!!! ;)
>
> t
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:55 AM
> > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
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> >
> > Well, that was how I tried to respond, but I guess interpretation ==
> > reality.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:43 AM
> > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > That's not his point... his point is the "attitude" of the
> > conversation,
> > not the discussion of the perception of a "hardware firewall" vs a
> > "software firewall." And I have to say, his points are valid as
> stated
> > IMO.
> >
> > I don't think my loyalty to ISA can be questioned, yet I've got a
> > Netgear FVX538 in front of everything here. Not because I think a
> > "hardware firewall" is "better," but because it works for my
> > environment, and allows me to do things I want a little differently
> > than
> > what I could do otherwise, even though there are aspects of its
> > configuration that drive me crazy.
> >
> > You're absolutely right about the security of any device in any
given
> > configuration, but we don't have conversations like that, do we?
> > t
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
> > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:30 AM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > The response you get is based on having to deal with the "hardware
> is
> > > more secure", "DMZ is more secure" and "more layers is more
secure"
> > > mentality that is espoused without regard to traffic profiles or
> any
> > > "real" security need or threat mitigation (such as you yourself
> > > described).
> > >
> > > The point of adding a CisPixJuniBluSquid device simply on the
basis
> > of
> > > "that adds security" is false on the face of it. All devices or
> > > software solutions are equally prone to deployment and management
> > > fubars
> > > as the rest.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On Behalf Of Ray Dzek
> > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:59 AM
> > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > When I see posts like this, it just proves that you all have
> > > degenerated
> > > to the same level as the "ISA sucks" crowd. I would think that
you
> > all
> > > would be tired of typing the same response whenever anybody asks
> > about
> > > configuring ISA in a multi-firewall environment. Maybe you all
> have
> > > just created a mail rule that auto generates the "How dare you
> > > integrate
> > > any other firewall with ISA. Nothing else is worthy. Get rid of
> the
> > > other firewall, it sucks."
> > >
> > > Everybody has the hardware and environment they have to deal with.
> > It
> > > is what it is. I have to deal with ISA, ASA, and Sonicwall. I
> like
> > > features and performance aspects of each. There are also plenty
of
> > > things I can't stand about each.
> > >
> > > When I started with this list we had MS Proxy Server. It was a
> > > different attitude. You all have become grumpy, jaded, and yet
> more
> > > immature than ever in your old age. Congratulations... You are
> now
> > > just like any other hardware firewall e-mail list.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:14 PM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
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> > > >
> > > > Beat me to it...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:57 PM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
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> > > >
> > > > I was wondering what the ASA bug box was doing there too. Adding
> a
> > > > level
> > > > of complexity to help increase the risk of misconfiguration?
> > > >
> > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> > > > Site: www.isaserver.org
> > > > Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > > MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
Harrison
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:40 PM
> > > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [isalist] Re: ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Make it easy for yourself.
> > > > > Lose the Cisco or sell it to some unsuspecting victim.
> > > > > Add another NIC to ISA and create a third-leg DMZ.
> > > > > This way, only ISA has access to the traffic between these
> > > networks.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Robert Wolff
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:27 PM
> > > > > To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [isalist] ASA 5500 in front of ISA 2006
> > > > >
> > > > > All,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know any tricks or have any experience with
> > > > > configuration in
> > > > > the following scenario:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Inet Router => Cisco ASA firewall => DMZ => ISA 2006 Firewall
> > > > > =>Internal
> > > > > network
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The current network layout is just a single ISA 2006 firewall.
> > I'm
> > > > > looking to create a new DMZ segment between the ISA and ASA
for
> > > > future
> > > > > web, DNS, and email servers.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Inet Router => ISA 2006 Firewall => Internal Network
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the last problems I have is getting OWA to work. I can
> > get
> > > > the
> > > > > initial login screen to appear, but after logon I get page
> cannot
> > > be
> > > > > displayed after several seconds of waiting.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > -Bob-
> > > > >
> > > > >
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