Here's one for you PPTP gateway to gateway VPN admins: 313560 - Routing and Remote Access Service Demand-Dial PPTP Connections Randomly Stop Routing Packets: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;313560 Thomas W Shinder www.isaserver.org/shinder <http://www.isaserver.org/shinder> ISA Server and Beyond: http://tinyurl.com/1jq1 Configuring ISA Server: http://tinyurl.com/1llp <http://tinyurl.com/1llp>