Hi guys, I just think that perception is influenced by many factors. for example, our social status, background, Culture and more importantly our particular mood on the day. I suppose too we haven't had access to the particular leaflet. it would just be interesting to see what context the word is written in. Thanks Sabrina -----Original Message----- From: irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:irelandvipnews-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ulla Quayle Sent: 12 July 2006 12:33 To: irelandvipnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices Hi Tony Well done you. I think the below e-mail says it all. You put that excellently. Ulla -----Original Message----- From: Tony Murray [mailto:tony.g.murray@xxxxxx] Sent: 12 July 2006 10:38 To: Ireland VIP News Subject: [IrelandVIPNews] Re: Wording on notices Hi, I really tried to hold off on commenting, but I have to... because I'm mouthy, ya know? First up, I have to agree with Nicky, Maria and Rosaleen. Now there's something, Murray agreeing with someone!:) I don't consider myself handicapped, certainly not. This is an outdated word, which should, and for the most part, has been phased out. Why is that? Because it's not accurately descriptive, it's offensive, and sh*t man, it's just not the way to talk or think about anyone. I have no time for the political correctness bullsh*ttery, call a spade a spade etc, but calling a blind person handicapped doesn't fit. Indeed, calling anyone handicapped is offensive in my book. It just sort of grates, ya know? So Nicky, for my money, keep up the good fight. Is this a step back? Absolutely. If shops associated with the NCBI are calling us Handicapped, you're right that's a step back. Keep fighting the good fight my man! Does perception matter? Of course it does. Let's not be ridiculous. If someone thinks of all Blind people as being 'handicapped', that matters! It's the connotations, it's the images it conjures up. If you're happy to be thought of as being handicapped, and called handicapped, perhaps you'd like St. Joseph's school to return to being called an Asylum? After all, it's just a word. It's just perception. Get me? All of us know it's not an asylum (or is it), but who cares if everyone else thinks it is. "Sure don't all handicapped blind people just make baskets?" Well, no, but since we are handicapped, and we do attend an asylum, why not? These are stereotypes, these are perceptions, these are what words like 'handicapped' bring to people's minds. If you think they don't, well in my opinion, you're very very wrong. Life, thinking, perception, everything is all about associations. Here's one, what do you think of when you hear (or read) the word 'cripple'? What do you associate it with? You're thinking of someone in a wheelchair right?... Or someone who uses crutches? You're not thinking about this guy Bill who can't walk so good, but he's a shit hot rocket scientist who can't press the accelerator on his Porsh but has a device which reads his thoughts to 'go faster!'. It's association. Cripple = a wheelchair user, nothing else. How about 'homeless'? You're thinking someone dirty, a beggar, probably a junky? What about a 'comedian? Yeah, someone funny, bit of an eejit? Good to laugh at. Associations, connections, stereotypes. Everybody needs to fit people in to various categories. It's human nature. We all belong to some 'group' or 'type'. Now excuse me, but I don't want to be put in to the 'handicapped' bucket, thanks a million. I'd prefer to be seen as just some guy who has a decent life, loves a laugh, and is fun to be around... but oh yeah, as an aside, did you know he can't see? Mind if I cut a few quotes from the various mails we've seen? Well, to save time, let's just say I agree with everything Nicky has said. (Phew! that saves me some work cutting and pasting) " First of all I'd like to say that I think Robbie and Mike have excellent points about showing positive adds and snippets which would depict blind people and people with other disabilities getting on with their lives just like everyone else and which would tell the public how best to approach the VIP people and people with other disabilities. " Yes! I agree whole-heartedly. This is true inclusion, this is true awareness training, we are trying to be the same as everyone else right? So why not show 'Joe Public' that we are. " I would also like to see some common stereotypes dispelled about blind people in those snippets. E.G. please do not feel sorry for us. we aren't deaf or stupid so please don't shout at us and don't be patronising. we can speak for ourselves so please don't talk at us, but talk to us instead. " Yes, basic awareness. We're not 'handicapped' we are just people who can't see, or who have bad eyesight 'living life'. " I don't consider my self to have a handicap necessarily. The point I have repeatedly made is I do not place much significance on a word used to describe my sensory impairment. I don't think that is countering the efforts of those who are working towards equality. " If someone walked up to you on the street and said "Hi you're handicapped. Let me pet your blind dog, handicapper", would you not place much significance on what they were referring to you as? Also, if you don't care what words are used to describe your 'sensory impairment', why do you call it a 'sensory impairment'? Why not just call it blindness, or a handicap? After all, in your book, it doesn't matter what it is called, as long as people get the point... and 'Handicapped' is just so much shorter than 'sensory impaired'. Do you think 'the point' people would get by this would be the same if they were considering you a 'handicapped' person, or on the other side, a guy with a good job, good life, but just couldn't see? " The problem with using this word in my opinion spans from your own perception of its meaning and not what you believe to be that of the publics. " Um, what? Do you think the 'public' consider 'handicapped' people to be young go-getters? Do you think they have a positive perception of people they consider to be 'handicapped'? Get real. I perceive the word to have very negative connotations, and I bet everyone else does, be they on this list or not. Yes, it's our problem, but it shouldn't be. These advertisements don't help us to overcome this problem, so it should be dropped. Easy! " CV's and Interviews are two very useful ways of illustrating past actions or experiences. True they are written and verbal forms of communications but the words aren't important, the actions, are. " Slightly straying from the point here, but that is complete nonsense too. Although, after some consideration, judging from the way you feel about how it's no big deal if the public perceive you as a handicapped person, it's not so surprising. Do you honestly think the words you say, and the way you say them, particularly when applying for a job "aren't important"? It's perception, or an apparent ignorance of perception on your part. Why should it matter to someone who doesn't care how they are perceived by the public, give a d*mn if their CV has badly written sentences or paragraphs? Why should they care if they talk nonsense at an interview, it's the 'actions' that count? Ridiculous. Go read a manual. I've been on both sides of the interview table. You can have all the experience and knowledge in the world, but if you are perceived by the way you speak, or write, or even dress as being 'not quite right' you won't get the job. That is a plain and simple fact. If your CV is not written well, you won't even get an interview! It doesn't matter if you've written the latest version of Windows. I've seen CVs binned because the layout is not aligned correctly. Finally, I take Ed's point. We are not disabled, it's the sighted world and environment which is disabling to us. Fine, but don't call yourself or me 'handicapped'! It's making a box for us to fit in to, the 'handicapped' box. We are all representing each other at the end of the day (I wrote about this before). If blind or vision impaired people are being classed, and happy being classed as 'handicapped', the negativity that goes along with this word will be part of our little category. Back to Ed's point, yes if we hadn't got LCD screens on everything, or if we hadn't so much reliance on visual communication, we would not be so disabled. If Blind people were accepted in society as someone who could do exactly the same things everyone else did, we would not be considered disabled. If our daily lives were identical to everyone else's when it came to getting to work, using a computer, ordering a bl**dy pint, etc, then we would not be disabled. Now, the world is getting easier for us Blind people, it is almost as easy for us to do all these things. Referring to us as 'handicapped' or even, God forbid, 'handicapped people' will not help us in our quest to slot in to this utopia. Oh yeah, now for the disclaimer. These are all just my opinions, as expressed by me myself as Tony Murray the one and only, and in no way do I wish to offend anyone by my expression of personal thoughts and views on particular matters as contained with in this electronic communication. Yeah, do have fun, but for God's sake don't consider yourself, or allow anyone else to consider you handicapped. 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