Sam, We use a stand alone mechanical symbol for our fiducial. Our boards require local fiducials (two) for each fine pitch part and global fiducials (three) for both sides of the board assuming parts are placed on both sides. For reference, the fiducial we use is a 40 mil pad with an 80 mil soldermask opening. These fiducials will show up in your pick & place data. Be sure not to expose any copper when placing your fiducials. Thanks Tony Cosentino Tekelec - PCB Design Engineer 5200 Paramount Parkway Morrisville, NC 27560 919-460-3656 Work 919-414-2083 Cell anthony.cosentino@xxxxxxxxxxx www.tekelec.com ----------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe/unsubscribe: Send a message to icu-pcb-forum-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of subscribe or unsubscribe To view the archives of this list please login at //www.freelists.org. Our list name is icu-pcb-forum or go to //www.freelists.org/archives/icu-pcb-forum/ Problems or Questions: Send an email to icu-pcb-forum-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Want to post a job listing ? DON'T DO IT HERE! Better yet, join our jobs listing forum. SUBSCRIBE: icu-jobs-forum-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxx POST: icu-jobs-forum@xxxxxxxxxx -----------------------------------------------------------