I don't think you can extrapolate what's happening on the PADS list to what's going on here or any other list. I've sponsored another Orcad list on freelists myself, and yes, it's a new, young list, but it is a good list. What other lists are you on? westfeldt <westfeldt_nbcd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I just signed up for this to see what it was like, and it's obviously in its infancy. Anybody know what this is all about? It's true that this icu-pcb-forum is not as prolific as some others I'm on, but I don't see why Cadence thinks they will do better. It's my guess that the existing forum will get a lot stronger to the degree that Cadence tech support gets weaker. That's certainly the situation with PADS. Patrick Westfeldt, Jr. North Boulder Circuit Design westfeldt_nbcd@xxxxxxxxx 720-406-0887 c 720-272-5822