[PCB_FORUM] Re: RS-274X
- From: "Macindoe, Gary" <Gary.Macindoe@xxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:12:38 -0500
Hey Richard,
Ok, so you also use a title block to identify the films. I'm sure it's made up
of lines and text.
So whether you use a bounding box or photoplot outline to include this, the
lines/text still come out as negative, right?
I don't see any way around this, so it's either put up with the lines/text as
negative or go to positive inner planes.
For now, I'm going to put off the decision and stick with 274D (where even with
the film defined as negative, the lines/text of the title block come out
positive).
Thanks for the reply!
Gary
Gary E. MacIndoe
PCB Design Engineer
Fort Collins, Colorado
amd.com
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Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: RS-274X
Hi
We use 274X, with title boxes on all layers. Title blocks may be rare in the
industry (I don't know) but I think they're important.
We ended up writing a script to change the photoplot outline for all
negative/positive layers, generate what's necessary, and then back again, on
the "Generate All" button. Works really well, but better gerber generation
should have been there in Allegro the first place.
Many people still use Gerber (as opposed to ODB++) for various reasons. It
would still be a reasonable ask to have Cadence implement something to fix
this.
Cheers,
Richard
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>>> On 8/05/2008 at 10:24 a.m., in message
>>> <C457DF91B793174299A7B391C368EAD55FBFDDDD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>>> <george.h.patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That's him :) Haven't seen hide nor hair of him since he retired.
Unfortunately, that's right. All positive layers come out as negative images
if the film control is set for a negative film.
Doesn't seem to me that it would be too difficult for Cadence to add an
additional composite additive positive sub-layer to the gerber file in if you
have a positive layer selected for a negative film control, but they have never
done it (unless it's in 16, I haven't tested for that). But it is probably no
bang for the buck, I think it is increasingly rare to have title blocks and
such on films anyway.
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[mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macindoe, Gary
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 14:10
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Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: RS-274X
Hey George,
By predecessor, I bet you mean Don Gillispie (did I spell his last name
correctly?).
How's Don doing by the way? I worked with him (actually he supported us in
Redmond) for some years at Tek.
I know about the photoplot outline, I used to use one just outside of the
drawing title block.
So either way, with 274X output, everything becomes negative, right?
Thanks for the reply.
Regards,
Gary
Gary E. MacIndoe
PCB Design Engineer
Fort Collins, Colorado
amd.com
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Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: RS-274X
Gary:
You can also put a photoplot outline area around the stuff you want visible
(Setup >Areas > Photoplot Outline) to get the same effect. If you do NOT have
this area, it ignores anything outside the board outline (unless you set the
bounding box).
My predecessor put in an issue about this when we went to RS-274x back 6-7
years ago. They put it in the future-features pile (otherwise known as the
round file) and I guess it remains there to this day. I have never attempted
to resubmit it.
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George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, EDS Applications Support
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Å 503-627-5272 (voice) Æ 503-627-5587 (fax)
http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
"Off-Grid and Proud of it!"
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[mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macindoe, Gary
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Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: RS-274X
Hey man,
Thanks for the idea. Yeah, it sort of worked. I set the Bounding Box to 2100
(mils).
The gerber for this negative layer now included my targets and film description
box, but they are negative.
With RS-274D, the negative layers still had the lines and text of the
targets/film description box (of course outside of the board outline) as
positive.
Thanks again, this may be better than not getting them at all if I do indeed
decide to go to 274X.
Regards,
Gary
Gary E. MacIndoe
PCB Design Engineer
Fort Collins, Colorado
amd.com
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Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: RS-274X
Gary,
Try to set Shape Bounding Box in Artwork Control Form and make sure this number
(measure from board's outline) large enough to cover any lines & text that you
want to show.
-man
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Subject: [PCB_FORUM] RS-274X
Hey guys,
Allegro PCB 15.5.1, Expert license, Windows XP Pro
Ok, RS-274X question.
I like negative inner planes, and include targets (lines) and a film
description box (lines and text) below the board.
I notice that when I gerber out negative plane film in RS-274X format, I don't
get the targets (lines) nor the film box (lines and text).
I see the same results whether I load the gerbers into an Allegro database or
CAM350.
Is there any way to get the lines and text on a negative film with RS-274X?
Thanks for any help!
Gary
Gary E. MacIndoe
PCB Design Engineer
Fort Collins, Colorado
amd.com
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