One thing I used to do is be sure all vias are attached to at least one internal plane. You can tell how many planes a via is connected to by doing a "show element" on it. If it's only connected to the external planes, and there's an internal plane of the right kind in the area, doing a move "ix 0 0" on the via will usually get it to acknowledge the internal connections too. Once they're associated, I've never seen them go away. I agree with Gary, though, since I've been using the "retain net of vias" I have not seen this problem. Jean ________________________________ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macindoe, Gary Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:01 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Disappearing Vias Richard, Yes, I've seen it in the past, but not lately. Whenever I need stitching vias, when I copy them, I use the "Retain net of vias" switch (Options tab). Intermittent problems are enough to make you scream! Good luck. Gary Gary E. MacIndoe PCB Design Engineer Fort Collins, Colorado amd.com gary.macindoe@xxxxxxx ________________________________ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of richard moffat Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:38 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Disappearing Vias Hello all Allegro 15.7, Windoze XP. We first saw this problem several years ago, probably around 14.0 or 14.2. Every so often Allegro would rip up stitching vias on planes, just leaving one. Needless to say, this is not a good thing. It seems to be some 'gloss' function, but we never use it. It's totally random, although it always seems to be on outer layers. We're lucky this has never happened to a fab. It's always been spotted by some diligent CAD engineer before release. We submitted this to Cadence a long time ago but we can't repeat it. No solution was offered. Has anyone else ever seen this? (Example attached, png file.) Cheers, Richard __________________________ Richard Moffat PCB CAD Team Leader Allied Telesis Labs ph. +64 (3) 3393000 richard.moffat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs.