Mark, You may have already considered, but thought I'd suggest anyways . Much better to use pours connected to GND than thieving if you can get reasonable connection - eliminates worries about possible electrical problems created by the thieving patterns. Dave Schaefer <mailto:dave.schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxx> dave.schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Mark Salberg [mailto:msalberg@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:30 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Copper balancing "thieving dots" It looks like this will be a very useful utility. One more question: Can anybody tell me if it is better to have copper balance pads aligned or offet from layer to layer? _ _ _ or _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Thanks for all your help! Mark Dennis Ward wrote: What are you running? I don't have utilities under tools menu. I'm in Allegro Designer 14.2 Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Uri Chaplianka [mailto:urich@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:49 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Copper balancing "thieving dots" Is there a list of all Allegro commands available? Yes, Tools->Utilities->Keyboard Commands. Uri -----Original Message----- From: Mark Salberg [mailto:msalberg@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:49 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Copper balancing "thieving dots" Uri, Thanks a lot! I could not find anything in Allegro Help. It looks to be exactly what we were looking for. Is there a list of all Allegro commands available? There is an Automatic Copper Balance PDF on Source Link, but looks like a skill file that would have to be loaded independently. We will give your suggestion a try Uri. Thanks again, Mark Uri Chaplianka wrote: Hi Mark ! Just within Allegro type: "thieving". Uri -----Original Message----- From: Mark Salberg [mailto:msalberg@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:20 PM To: Cadence User Group Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Copper balancing "thieving dots" Does anybody know of an easy way to create (in Allegro) copper balance thieving dots? We are instructed to balance all boards in the database and not to give fab free rein in their placement. We are currently adding 100 mil shapes on 200 mil spacing...manually. Thanks, Mark _______________________________________________________________________ _ _____ Scanned by IBM Email Security Management Services powered by MessageLabs. 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