Mark, I would definitely ask my CM. If he says yes then I would do a via plug and the entire via would be covered with mask. I don't know how much soldermask dam you have if it's at least 5 mils you may be OK. Be sure to specify your via encroahment and or plugging etc in your pcb notes or requirement doc to your fabricator. One other thing if your pad is 18 mil dia and your soldermask opening is 14 mil dia you only have a 2 mil encroachment. The requirement I have is for a min of 3 mil encroachment. In my scenario a min soldermask opening diameter would be 12 mil dia. So also check if the 2 mil is OK regards, Gerry Gerry Meier Sr. PCB Designer Freedom CAD Services, Inc. Voice: (603) 864-1300 x1350 AL Voice: (256) 417-6944 Email: gerry.meier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Visit us at www.freedomcad.com <http://www.freedomcad.com/> ________________________________ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Salberg Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:53 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: BGA Fanout / Filled vias Yes Gerry, That is what I consider "copper to copper". On my 1mm BGA, I have 11.8mil. (18mil BGA pad, 18mil via encroached to 14mil) Now, on my .75mm BGA using the same via: 6.5mil ball pad to encroached via Should this drive me to filling or tenting the vias? Thanks for all the great responses! Mark Gerry Meier wrote: Mark, I am not sure what you are asking "is this atrue statement' ? If the soldermask is encroached on the via the copper to copper is the bga pad to the encroachment area. There should also be a min 5 mil soldermask dam. Gerry Meier Sr. PCB Designer Freedom CAD Services, Inc. Voice: (603) 864-1300 x1350 AL Voice: (256) 417-6944 Email: gerry.meier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Visit us at www.freedomcad.com <http://www.freedomcad.com/> ________________________________ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [ mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Salberg Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:03 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: BGA Fanout / Filled vias On my 1mm BGA, I have an 18mil BGA pad and (18mil via pad, encroached to 14mil with a 8mil hole). BGA pad (not mask) to via encroachment = 11.8mil. However, the assembler specified "copper to copper" which would be "airgap" pad to via measurement. Copper to copper / airgap = 9.8mil. The via encroachment to ball copper pad (not larger mask) sounds like what they should spec. Is this a correct statement? Looks like he may be in the "Ball-park" with the filled vias for .8mm and below pitch BGA's. On my .75mm BGA I have: 6.5mil ball pad to encroached via. airgap = 4.5mil. (same for mask to encroached mask on via) = 4.5mil. Our thought was that if there is a soldermask dam, then there should be no paste wicking in the via. But with 10mil min airgap, they must be filled and possibly tented. When you epoxy fill the vias, do you also tent the vias with mask? Gerry Meier wrote: Mark, If you encroach your vias you would measure from pin to encroachment area. This should give you enough Pin to Via/Encroachment (copper to copper) clearance for your Assembler. The formula I have used is for a min 3 mil encroachment is Formula: Pad size diameter - Soldermask opening diameter > or = to 6 mils. But Soldermask opening diameter is not < the drill size (nominal hole size + 3 mils). Sample: 18 mil pad - 11 mil soldermask opening = 7 mil + 9.8 = 16.8 pad to via/encroachment (copper to copper). This may also work for the .75mm BGA however some Assembler's or CM's require BGA's with an .8mm pitch or smaller have their vies plugged under the BGA's. Hope this helps, Gerry Gerry Meier Sr. PCB Designer Freedom CAD Services, Inc. Voice: (603) 864-1300 x1350 AL Voice: (256) 417-6944 Email: gerry.meier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Visit us at www.freedomcad.com -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Salberg Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:25 AM To: Cadence User Group Subject: [PCB_FORUM] BGA Fanout / Filled vias Hello all, What BGA Ball pad to via clearance is needed for BGA fanout? Our Assembly house is telling us that we need 10 mil copper to copper (15mil preferred). On 1mm BGA's using an 18mil via with 8mil drill gets us 9.8mil via to pad. On our .75mm BGA this via gets us 4mil via to pad. Which also breaks the soldermask dam. Is epoxy filled and tented vias our best or only option at this point? 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