How about "buyer beware..." So they make thousands of CDs with semi-official looking labels and the buyers snap them up thinking they are getting running software, but also knowing that the process is less than legit. When the software installs, yet does not run, to whom does the buyer complain? Good chance that the seller has long moved on, such is the black market. Gottcha! Further, the stuff is not exactly home use stuff... it does take both a desire and certain skills to learn and run it... I rather doubt that there really are "thousands" of running copies of Allegro out there... AutoCAD probably; MS Word, hundreds of thousands perhaps... I am not condoning the practice, just pointing out that the market for PWB design software is a bit more complex than that for word processing software. Gene Carman gcarman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: alex forbes [mailto:alex.forbes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 3:28 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Allegro15.1> rants galore... I wonder how many of these CD's, that someone has gone to the trouble of pirating and making thousands of copies of, they would continue to sell if the software didnt work?, obviously they have broken the requirement for licences or have found a code that will work. I suspect there are far too many requests for help on this list from people in China and India for it to be otherwise!, I wonder what Cadence's policy is to controlling pirate software in, what will be in 20 years, two of the three major markets in the world for their software? Will the companies that currently use pirate software buy legal copies once they are profitable and their countries tighten up their software laws?, marketing at its finest I suggest! Alex >>> MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 20/10/2004 11:03:10 a.m. >>> I was wondering about that, too. How could you get licenses? They aren't easy to generate as far as I know, and you need some machine specific stuff, too. I can't see how the software itself is even worth $5 if it won't run for you. Maybe you could hang those cd's in the window for a nice effect on those sunny, sunny days. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:19 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Allegro15.1> rants galore... Software is only half the issue... you still need a license to run the software... Software CDs without a valid license is just a hunk of plastic. Am I missing something here? ----------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe/unsubscribe: < BR> Send a message to icu-pcb-forum-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of subscribe or unsubscribe To view the archives of this list please login at //www.freelists.org. Our list name is icu-pcb-forum or go to //www.freelists.org/archives/icu-pcb-forum/ Problems or Questions: Send an email to icu-pcb-forum-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Want to post a job listing ? DON'T DO IT HERE! Better yet, join our jobs listing forum. SUBSCRIBE: icu-jobs-forum-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxx POST: icu-jobs-forum@xxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesyn Research Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesyn Research. ----------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe/unsubscribe: Send a message to icu-pcb-forum-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of subscribe or unsubscribe To view the archives of this list please login at //www.freelists.org. Our list name is icu-pcb-forum or go to //www.freelists.org/archives/icu-pcb-forum/ Problems or Questions: Send an email to icu-pcb-forum-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Want to post a job listing ? DON'T DO IT HERE! Better yet, join our jobs listing forum. SUBSCRIBE: icu-jobs-forum-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxx POST: icu-jobs-forum@xxxxxxxxxx -----------------------------------------------------------