[icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
- From: "Chase Crispin" <chasec@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:55:06 -0600
I thought that I heard somewhere that you will have an option of getting
sell phone/GPS when you buy your unit, or you could just get them the way
they are now.
Chase Crispin
-----Original Message-----
From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 5:01 PM
To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
actually, the hardware for cell is apparently already there. The reason I
Voice my lack of interest in a feature is that if adding something is going
to raise the over all cost to us, and it is not something we can live with,
they should know. If people want something, that is fine. it is also fine
if they don't want something too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane D" <chatter8712@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 5:06 PM
Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
I would like to point out the following to all of you:
(A) They do not need to not design a feature because "You don't like
it" or "You don't know what it is" or "You wouldn't use it." I
probably wouldn't use a stopwatch, but did I tell the entire list that
I didn't want the feature on the device?
(B) If anyone actually asks Levelstar, they will tell you that they
are working on ALL of the features you guys are asking for (that were
previously promised), and will actually say that some are almost done
and in the stages of testing.
(C) In case it matters, to add Cell Phone or GPS, you would need some
form of Hardware purchase or upgrade to the device. I am very sure
they would work on software before hardware.
On 12/25/07, Sandy Licht <slicht@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Unless I am not remembering correctly, GPS was supposed to be later
> on. The Braille Plus was just released... when? Last April? It
> takes time to develop software and hardware. Give Level Star and APH a
> break!
>
> At 05:23 PM 12/24/2007 -0600, you wrote:
> >that's very true. i didn't mean to leave that out or to suggest that
> someone
> >else's suggested enhancements are not important. but just look at the
> number
> >of enhancements that were pitched to us during the unit's intorduction.
> >and
> >they just have not happened. we don't know when or even if they would
> >happen. i know the engineers have to make sure the stuff works perfectly
> >before releasing it. but it just seems a little questionable that at the
> end
> >of 2007, we have not seen the introduction of well healed services like
> >audible and braille display support and for that matter gps.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 5:04 PM
> >To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> >
> >we also heard about cell and gps support.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "denise avant" <dravant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 5:57 PM
> >Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> >
> >
> >hello,
> >i would like to see the tings that were promised initially with this unit
> >before any further enhancements, not saying whether there ay are good or
> >bad. i first saw the icon, now also the bp in 2006, and it had been in
> >testing at that time. i i've heard about a docking station, audible
> support,
> >nls and support for braille displays, the ladder which i think is
> >critical
> >to this unit's success. just me though. but at the end of 2007, none of
> >the
> >above has been implimented, and it seems there is no firm date for
> >either.
> i
> >really like the icon, but it will only become the p.d.a. of choice if its
> >development is as promised.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Jones
> >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 3:04 PM
> >To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> >
> >still, features should only be excluded because of technical reasons not
> >emotional ones. Even if the icon could run skype there's nothing saying
> that
> >any user would have to use it.
> >I know people want the docking station and audible books I'll probably
> >use
> >neither, but I don't want my preferences to limit a device used by
> thousands
> >of people. It's taken me some time to realize that though.
> >
> >
> >David Poehlman wrote:
> > > hmm. skype is voip. well, never looked at it that way. Still, I
> > > think I'd rather have cell.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kevin Jones" <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:18 PM
> > > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> > >
> > >
> > > skype is the best thing since icq started text im software. skype
> > > never interupts me if i'm busy i just put myself in dnd mode. skype is
> > > basically like a phone on your computer, and voice is often better
> > > than text it actually conveys personality, shows people are more than
> > > a synthetic voice. voip is an amazing and cool technology and it's
> > > where voice communication is going. Marc said once he had a sip client
> > > working on the icon, I plan some time to set up a sip server and make
> > > my icon among all the other things it can do, a cordless phone.
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris G wrote:
> > >> umm, Skype is VOIP.
> > >> Same as a phone call.
> > >> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:02:52 -0500, "David Poehlman"
> > >> <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> as far as I'm concerned, they can call or emal me.
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Chris G" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 12:48 PM
> > >>> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>> then you wouldn't launch it. a lot of businesses use skype to stay
> > >>> in communications with each other.
> > >>> it's a great productivity tool, it's not just for fun.
> > >>> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:45:26 -0600, Sandy Licht <slicht@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I wouldn't want Skype, either! I don't like to be interrupted when
> > >>>> I am doing something!
> > >>>> At 07:52 AM 12/24/2007 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>>>> For what reason do you not want skype?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I never wrote that you personally had to make out with the
> > >>>>> feature, I just said that I would like it on the device.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> For what reason exactly would you not want those features?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 12/24/07, David Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>>> I don't.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>> From: "Shane D" <chatter8712@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:37 PM
> > >>>>>> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I also want IM and Skype on it.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 12/23/07, Chase Crispin <chasec@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> The Icon does use Linux, but it uses an accessible version of
> > >>>>>>> Linux that Level Star/APH have developed. For this reason, it
> > >>>>>>> doesn't
> > >>>>> work with some
> > >>>>>>> programs such as Skype. We could have someone that knows the
> > >>>>>>> Icon very, very well try it out. If this was incorporated into
> > >>>>>>> the Icon/Braille+, they would have to get read of the music
> > >>>>>>> player that already exists, and that would require a lot of
> > >>>>>>> development, and a lot of confusion for new users.
> > >>>>>>> This would be a very cool thing to have, though.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Chase Crispin
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>> From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry
> > >>>>>>> Matheny
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:10 PM
> > >>>>>>> To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Why couldn't the mplayer text based Linux media player that is
> > >>>>>>> similar to Winamp be compiled to work on the Icon? Then you
> > >>>>>>> could play whatever file format you wanted.
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>> From: "Chase Crispin" <chasec@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>>> To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:01 PM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> And if it could just do power points, spread sheets, and data
> > >>>>>>>> bases for work and school, and ability to listen to videos for
> fun!
> > >>>>>>>> I agree. This device is already better than the pacmate and
> > >>>>>>>> the Braille Note!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Chase Crispin
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>> From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>>> [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shane D
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 5:48 PM
> > >>>>>>>> To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> And while we're at it, let's just ask Levelstar to let us
> > >>>>>>>> search the US CIA databases too!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This thing will be the best PDA outside of China!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On 12/23/07, Chase Crispin <chasec@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> And wma!
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Chase Crispin
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>>> From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>>>> [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shane
> > >>>>>>>>> D
> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 2:30 PM
> > >>>>>>>>> To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>>>> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> True. Maybe someone at levelstar can get in touch with the
> > >>>>>>>>> amazon people.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> While we're at it, let's make it play M4P songs from iTunes!
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On 12/23/07, Katey Glass <kateyglass@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> I totally agree having access to Kindle books would be
> > >>>>>>>>>> wonderful!
> > >>>>>>>>>> Just not sure if they would work on our Icons. There is a
> > >>>>>>>>>> particular book which is not on Bookshare that is in Kindle
> > >>>>>>>>>> format that I would love
> > >>>>>>>>> to read!
> > >>>>>>>>>> Katey
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Remember; spend some time with your loved ones, because they
> > >>>>>>>>>> are not going to be around forever. -- GEORGE CARLIN
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Visit MySpace page at: www.myspace.com/katey0968
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>>>> From: Kevin Jones
> > >>>>>>>>>> To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 2:21 AM
> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future update.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> speaking of amazon, it would be cool if the i con could
> > >>>>> use the new
> > >>>>>>>>>> kindle format the kindle is a new e-book reader from amazon
> > >>>>>>>>>> they have
> > >>>>>>>>>> 90000 titles I know we have bookshare but there may be
> > >>>>>>>>>> things the
> > >>>>>>>> kindle
> > >>>>>>>>>> has bookshare doesnt and e-books are cheaper than real
> > >>>>> books in the
> > >>>>>>>>>> store. The kindle and the e-paper from sony are bringing to
> > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> sighted
> > >>>>>>>>>> what the roadrunner bookport bookcourier and icon have
> > >>>>> given us for
> > >>>>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>>>> decade.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Shane D wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> > Just use the amazon.com MP3 store from the browser.
> > >>>>>>>>>> (Haven't tried
> > >>>>>>>> it)
> > >>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>>>> > amazonmp3.com
> > >>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>>>> > On 12/22/07, Chase Crispin <chasec@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> I wish that there was some way to have a music store
> > >>>>>>>>>> online, and we could
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> pay $20 a month and download 50 songs to the Icon or
> > >>>>>>>>>> Braille Plus.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> Chase Crispin
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> musicproandy@xxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:48 PM
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future
> update.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> What would be cool is if they had WMA support or iTunes
> > >>>>>>>>>> music support in the
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> braille plusses.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:03:50 -0500, Shane D wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>> Yeah.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>> On 12/20/07, Kevin Jones <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> no push and release status then a number ye that's the
> > >>>>>>>>>> way to go
> > >>>>>>>>> you
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> could do it with 1 finger
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Shane D wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> If you mean hit status once, release, and then press
> > >>>>>>>>>> number, I
> > >>>>>>>>> like
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> it. If you have to hold both, I would hate to do that
> > >>>>>>>>>> if I bought one.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On 12/20/07, CB <cnoc78@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> I agree. I truly like this idea.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Kevin Jones" <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:28 AM
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Suggestion for a future
> > >>>>>>>>>> update.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> because this is much more efficient the hold-status
> > >>>>>>>>>> key is
> > >>>>>>>> only
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> efficient
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> for the top item or 2 and actually status and a
> > >>>>>>>>>> number is more
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> efficient than even the top item in hold-status
> > >>>>>>>>>> mode, both in
> > >>>>>>>>> key
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> presses and in time.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> PAMELA RADER wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why not just use the Mocve Up or Down option and
> > >>>>>>>>>> move the
> > >>>>>>>> items
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> around
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> on
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that menu in the order you want them?
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pamela Rader, TECHNICAL SUPPORT
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> American Printing House For The Blind
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1839 Frankfort Ave.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Louisville, KY 40206
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PHONE: 1-800-223-1839, Ext. 307
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> kevin@xxxxxxxxxxx 12/20/07 12:16PM >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like a mode where you could say press
> > >>>>>>>>>> status and a
> > >>>>>>>>> number
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> it
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> would give you up to 12 using the star and number
> > >>>>>>>>>> keys pieces of info.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then you could press status 2 and it would tell
> > >>>>>>>>>> you the time
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> there could be a way of selecting which pieces of
> > >>>>>>>>>> status info
> > >>>>>>>>> you
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wanted per program and you could move them around.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Maybe
> > >>>>>>>>> pressing
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> status 1 could
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the same as now if you just press status, holding
> > >>>>>>>>>> down status
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> could
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> still
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> behave as it does now. If you really wanted more
> > >>>>>>>>>> than
> > >>>>>>>>>> 12
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> selections you could make the number give you the
> > >>>>>>>>>> second
> > >>>>>>>> list
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> then you could press status number 3 or something.
> > >>>>>>>>>> What
> > >>>>>>>>>> do the rest of
> > >>>>>>>>>> >> you think?
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Irwin Hott wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would like to see an easier way to get the time
> > >>>>>>>>>> and an
> > >>>>>>>>> option
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> time to give seconds.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>> -Shane
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>> Blog: http://blind-geek.com/blog/
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>> CoOwner: http://sjtechzone.com
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>> AIM: inhaddict
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>> Skype: chatter8712
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>> -Shane
> > >>>>>>>>> Blog: http://blind-geek.com/blog/
> > >>>>>>>>> CoOwner: http://sjtechzone.com
> > >>>>>>>>> AIM: inhaddict
> > >>>>>>>>> Skype: chatter8712
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> -Shane
> > >>>>>>>> Blog: http://blind-geek.com/blog/
> > >>>>>>>> CoOwner: http://sjtechzone.com
> > >>>>>>>> AIM: inhaddict
> > >>>>>>>> Skype: chatter8712
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> -Shane
> > >>>>>> Blog: http://blind-geek.com/blog/
> > >>>>>> CoOwner: http://sjtechzone.com
> > >>>>>> AIM: inhaddict
> > >>>>>> Skype: chatter8712
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> -Shane
> > >>>>> Blog: http://blind-geek.com/blog/
> > >>>>> CoOwner: http://sjtechzone.com
> > >>>>> AIM: inhaddict
> > >>>>> Skype: chatter8712
> > >>>> Sandy Licht
> > >>>> Jeremiah 29:11 - 14.
> > >>>> For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to
> > >>>> prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a
> > >>>> future.
> > >>>> Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will
> > >>>> listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with
> > >>>> all your heart. I will be found by you," declares the LORD, "and
> > >>>> will bring you back from captivity.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
>
> Sandy Licht
> Jeremiah 29:11 - 14.
> For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to
> prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
> Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen
> to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your
> heart. I will be found by you," declares the LORD, "and will bring
> you back from captivity.
>
>
>
--
-Shane
Blog: http://blind-geek.com/blog/
CoOwner: http://sjtechzone.com
AIM: inhaddict
Skype: chatter8712
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