[icon-discuss] Re: Question for all Braille,Plus ownersbbal getting some window-shopping time with the BraillePlus
- From: "John Esak" <john@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:57:21 -0400
I like my Icon naked... But, actually, I went to the site www.egrips.com and
bought a sheet of little dots. I put one on each of the corners of the back
side of the unit. It now grips any surface I put it on for dear life. It
doesn't move at all. Very easy to get good typing in this way.
However, big bummer. The new keyboard is coming out soon, and the little
egrips as thin as they are, and boy they are *really* thin... can not stay
on the unit. When it plugs into the keyboard, the egrips keep keep the jack
and plug from meshing together correctly. However, if you do not intend to
ever use the keyboard... (which would be crazy... then I heartily recommend
some egrips for the back of your unit.
John Esak
> -----Original Message-----
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> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Linda Gehres
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 6:34 AM
> To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question for all Braille,Plus ownersbbal
> getting some window-shopping time with the BraillePlus
>
> Hi Jeremiah,
> Like Richard, I use my Braille+ for brailling quite a bit, generally with
> the case on it and often on my lap. I do have the key echo set to
> characters so that I can more quickly catch mistakes I do make. I also do
> find that I make fewer mistakes when I have the unit on a hard surface.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Turner" <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:46 PM
> Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question for all Braille,Plus ownersbbal
> getting
> some window-shopping time with the BraillePlus
>
>
> Hi,
> I regularly braille, on the braille plus on my lap, on my stomach, on a
> desk, wherever
> I need to. I also use it in the case or not, depending on what I am doing.
> I don't find the case all that problematic. Yes it slightly impinges on
> the
> dot six
> key, but it isn't that bad.
> I certainly am not a perfect braillist, but I don't make that many
> mistakes.
> I
> certainly don't make any more mistakes on this than on a braille note, or
> Voice
> Sense.
> But, everyone has there own preferences for writing.
>
> Richard
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:46:18 -0400, Jeremiah Z. Rogers wrote:
>
>
> >Hi again Rob and listers. Given the overwhelming number, and tone, of
> >the
> >responses to my message a couple weeks back about my experiencing
> >difficulty, and relative dissatisfaction with, brailling on the
> >Braille+, I
> >spent some time attempting to better my results and/or determine where
> >and
> >what my problems inputting braille into the device really were.
> >
> >I have determined that my difficulties entering braille into the device
> >stem
> >largely from entering braille in the most mobile or non-traditional
> >brailling situations, for example on my lap or while lying in bed. I
> >find
> >that I make lots of errors brailling when the device is on my lap that
> >do
> >not occur when the device is on a table or other flat surface. I can
> >much
> >more efficiently produce documents in the word processor, email, planner
> >entries, and addresses when I'm able to use a table. I also took the
> >device
> >out of its case for several days and found that, though roughly the same
> >difference in accuracy between data entered on hard and soft surfaces
> >still
> >existed, I felt like I had a better grasp of when characters might've
> >been
> >missed or improperly formed when the device was out of its case. As a
> >result
> >of my paying attention to some of these variables, I'd alter my original
> >commentary to Rob by saying that I trust data entry on the device much
> >less
> >on softer surfaces than when brailling on hard ones, and would love to
> >know
> >from the list whether those of you who so emphatically asserted that you
> >found braille input on the device to be satisfactory use your cases or
> >primarily keep your devices naked.
> >
> >Hope this information is of some use to you Rob or others, and I'll of
> >course be glad to read commentary spurred on by this post.
> >
> >Very gratefully,
> >
> >Jeremiah Z. Rogers
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeremiah Z: Rogers [mailto:jeremiahzrogers@xxxxxxxxx]
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 16 10:27
> >To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: [icon-discuss] Question for all BraillePLUS owners;also
> >getting
> >some window-shopping time with the BraillePlus
> >
> >Hi Rob. I happily use the Braille+ for many personal and professional
> >tasks,
> >but I do find interacting with the device bothersome in several ways. I
> >find
> >the braille keys on the device to be a bit cramped, and I find that I
> >make
> >many more brailling errors with the device than I do when using any
> >other
> >device which allowed for braille input. I've struggled to put my finger
> >on
> >why that is, but I think it has to do with the device not accepting some
> >keystrokes I attempt or the keys not always being pressed when I think
> >they
> >are. I feel it necessary to proofread much more carefully, and have to
> >find
> >and correct many more errors, using this device than others. I also
> >find the
> >telephone keypad on the device less comfortable than I'd hoped it would
> >be
> >in terms of the ability to push the buttons for a long period of time.
> >The
> >braille and telephone keypad keys, and for that matter all of the keys
> >on
> >the device, are noisy when pressed, and the telephone keys feel almost
> >pointed after using them for ten minutes or so. I've never seen the
> >Icon,
> >and am incredibly curious about the physical differences between it and
> >the
> >Braille+. I hear that it is rounded on the bottom instead of the right
> >angles on the bottom of the Braille+, so I wonder if it wouldn't feel
> >better
> >in a pocket than the
> >Braille+. I'm also very curious about the feel, action, and noise of
> >the
> >Braille+telephone keys on
> >the Icon. I'd like to try thumb braille on the Icon and use that as my
> >comparrison to life with the
> >Braille+. I use thumb braille on occasion with the Braille+, and it
> >Braille+works fine but I think it
> >would be much more desirable with a larger keypad perhaps like that
> >found on
> >the Icon. Hope all this babble is of some use, and I look forward to
> >reading
> >further discussion on the list.
> >
> >Jeremiah
> >
> >On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:59 -0700, Rob Lambert wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have seen some pictures of the Plus (I use a very powerful magnifier
> >>on my MacBook) and the keyboard looks cramped. I've still got a 15 year
> >>old Braille 'n Speak and I know what cramped keyboards are like because
> >>of it. LOL I have not updated in 15 years, and I really am looking at a
> >>new device, but i'm at...well...6 forks in the road. LOL. I'm looking
> >>very closely at the Braille Plus as one of the devices I'd like to get.
> >>So yeah is the keyboard on the BraillePlus cramped? Also, a good friend
> >>of mine told me that where she is if she needs to look at something
> >>such as the BraillePlus or Icon, that she can (in the sense of
> >>equipment loans for review purposes). I'm from Nevada and I'm not sure
> >>what we have here besides Easter Seals (which I heard on the news last
> >>week will be closing due to funding issues I think) and the NFB and I'm
> >>not sure if they have a tech lab or not. I know the local Blind Center
> >>only has the BrailleNote and PACmate (last I looked). What I'd like to
> >>do is to actually make a hard look at the device, but I can't make it
> >>to the conventions this summer due to my need to take the Praxis for my
> >>bachelors in special ed. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live
> >>Messenger now.
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