I have used both the iCon and Braille+ and I like both units, but love the Braille+. Now, one could easily say that I work for APH, so naturally, I'm going to love the Braille+, but that's not the only reason. I can successfully use the braille keys and have no difficulty writing documents while traveling. Now, granted, I wouldn't want to write a novel with the thing, but for replying to email and taking notes during a meeting, it works fine for me. I love the "v" design of the braille keys, to have done it any other way would have caused the wrists to be turned in and would be very uncomfortable after some time. I travel with the Braille+ all the time and have put it in my dress pants front pocket, in my sutecoat pockets, and have had no issues with the size of the unit or the way it feels while in the pockets. I love the multi-tasking aspects of the units. Both allow one to listen to a book and download things at the same time, and to sit down at an establishment and download todays paper and read it right there is great! One thing I like too is that I can read something without calling attention to the unit. Its not some big honking thing that all the sightees get to stare at while I'm enjoying a book. I can put it in my pocket and read and no one is the wiser to what I'm listening to, or what is playing it. Now, on the other hand, when the unit has been visible, most sightees are curious about exactly what it is, and I've had some wonderful opportunities to attempt to teach the sightees a little about us blind folks because of the Braille+. All I can say is give it a try. APH gives you that chance, so take advantage of it. If you don't like it, send it back, but I think once you give it a go, you'll be as hooked on it as I am, and I can tell you, I absolutely love the concept of the thing, its use, size, and look forward to each new release of the software and can't wait for future developments. >>> jeremiahzrogers@xxxxxxxxx 04/16/08 10:27AM >>> Hi Rob. I happily use the Braille+ for many personal and professional tasks, but I do find interacting with the device bothersome in several ways. I find the braille keys on the device to be a bit cramped, and I find that I make many more brailling errors with the device than I do when using any other device which allowed for braille input. I've struggled to put my finger on why that is, but I think it has to do with the device not accepting some keystrokes I attempt or the keys not always being pressed when I think they are. I feel it necessary to proofread much more carefully, and have to find and correct many more errors, using this device than others. I also find the telephone keypad on the device less comfortable than I'd hoped it would be in terms of the ability to push the buttons for a long period of time. The braille and telephone keypad keys, and for that matter all of the keys on the device, are noisy when pressed, and the telephone keys feel almost pointed after using them for ten minutes or so. I've never seen the Icon, and am incredibly curious about the physical differences between it and the Braille+. I hear that it is rounded on the bottom instead of the right angles on the bottom of the Braille+, so I wonder if it wouldn't feel better in a pocket than the Braille+. I'm also very curious about the feel, action, and noise of the telephone keys on the Icon. I'd like to try thumb braille on the Icon and use that as my comparrison to life with the Braille+. I use thumb braille on occasion with the Braille+, and it works fine but I think it would be much more desirable with a larger keypad perhaps like that found on the Icon. Hope all this babble is of some use, and I look forward to reading further discussion on the list. Jeremiah On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:48:59 -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: >I have seen some pictures of the Plus (I use a very powerful magnifier >on my MacBook) and the keyboard looks cramped. I've still got a 15 year >old Braille 'n Speak and I know what cramped keyboards are like because >of it. LOL I have not updated in 15 years, and I really am looking at a >new device, but i'm at...well...6 forks in the road. LOL. I'm looking >very closely at the Braille Plus as one of the devices I'd like to get. >So yeah is the keyboard on the BraillePlus cramped? Also, a good friend >of mine told me that where she is if she needs to look at something >such as the BraillePlus or Icon, that she can (in the sense of >equipment loans for review purposes). I'm from Nevada and I'm not sure >what we have here besides Easter Seals (which I heard on the news last >week will be closing due to funding issues I think) and the NFB and I'm >not sure if they have a tech lab or not. I know the local Blind Center >only has the BrailleNote and PACmate (last I looked). What I'd like to >do is to actually make a hard look at the device, but I can't make it >to the conventions this summer due to my need to take the Praxis for my >bachelors in special ed. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live >Messenger now. 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