[icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the keys
- From: jenny Axler <jaxler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1970 02:17:50 -0600
Okay guys, that's enough! Michael has asked that this topic be closed for
discussion twice now. those of you that are coming in to this late, please
read ahead before answering, or read your messages from the most recent
backwards in order that you understand what's happening with the list if you
have not been able to read your email all day. In addition, we have
specifically asked you in our list rules not to discuss other products, but for
the purposes of comparison, and in a polite way. As for the policies of each
company, it would be most wise of posters to let the staff of that company
address these things, as you are not always privy to such information and may
give list members misinformation as happened here tonight. And finally, this
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jenny
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:06:25 -0400, Andy wrote:
>Yo:
>BrailleNotes suck beyond belief. I'm stuck with one until my
>braille+ comes back, so that darned thing better come soon or I
>might as wel just throw in the towel sooner or later, cuz the,
>"Battery conditioning recommended" message just popped up.
>Great, now I've gotta listen to it yap until it drives me up the
>darned walls.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Chase Crispin <chase.crispin@xxxxxxxxx
>>To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Date sent: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 13:19:38 -0600
>>Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the
>keys
>
>>I could not agree more. Thanks, Michael! I have been wanting to
>say that for weeks, but was
>>afraid of the consequences. I walked into a store with
>Notetakers, and they told me the
>>minute I walked in, You need a Braillenote. I said uh uh. I
>want the Braille
>>Plus. Who wants to be trapped with a thing with barley a
>flashdisk, and no hard drive?
>>Buying Wifi and Blue Tooth cards? Short battery life? High
>prices? Not
>>me, that's who. So, I don't think that company likes me now, but
>I don't want a
>>notetaker notice I didn't say mobile manager, shoved in my face
>when I walk
>>into the door. I wonder what a sighted person would say if I
>forced them to buy a cell
>>phone they didn't like? They would have a fit. So, that's my
>opinion on what you said.
>
>>Upset Chase
>>On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:17:03 -0400, MICHAEL MCCARTY wrote:
>
>
>>>Thank you for what you said in this message. Rehab people should
>be
>>>leaving it up to the cliant as to what notetaker works best for
>them (I
>>>hate it when sighted people tell me what works best for me) and
>you're
>>>right, we've never seen a unit that can do so much at this price
>point
>>>before. I mean, what do people want from a notetaker? If you
>want to
>>>compare the Braille+ to a Braille 'n Speak, don't, that's like
>>>comparing a model A Ford to a 2008 Mustang. If you don't like
>the
>>>Braille+, send it back and purchase a Braille 'n Speak, we still
>have
>>>them and they are on clearance. We're marketing them as a
>person's
>>>first notetaker now because of the technology, but hey, if you
>like the
>>>way the keys work, like the spacing, like the sound they either
>do or
>>>don't make, please, purchase a Braille 'n Speak while we still
>have
>>>them. Here's the info from the APH Flea Market Page:
>
>>>1-07320-01
>>>Braille 'n Speak Scholar Talking PDA
>>>$1249.00
>>>$375.00
>>>1-07317-00
>>>Braille 'n Speak Imagewriter Cable
>>>$32.00
>>>$20.00
>>>1-07318-00
>>>Braille 'n Speak Serial Interface Cable
>>>$33.00
>>>$15.00
>
>
>
>>>>>>ritalharrison@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/17/08 05:46AM
>>>I find it interesting to see all of the complaints going back and
>forth
>>>on this list, concerning the BP.
>
>>>Yes, there are bugs in the unit, as there are with any new
>product.
>>>However, where have we seen anything close to what we all have
>been
>>>asking for as Blind and Visually Impaired individuals...
>
>>>To have access to email, music, books, a recorder, a Braille
>Notetaker,
>>>the internet, and much more, with the portability at the fraction
>of the
>>>cost of a Braille Note Taker...
>
>>>I find the keyboard layout to be easier to work with, than I
>originally
>>>thought, when I first received the BP. As any new device, you
>can
>>>adjust with time and practice. When there is Braille support,
>this, in
>>>my mind, will be the "perfect" package.
>
>>>I would personally like to take this opportunity to thank the
>folks who
>>>are working to make this device, the product that we have all
>been
>>>asking for, for many years. I greatly appreciate this awesome
>>>technology, and I do hope that the people in the positions of
>making
>>>decisions on buying this product for clients, don't deny others
>from
>>>receiving this great tool, because of their own personal view
>points.
>>>To withhold advancements in technology would be unfortunate and
>very
>>>disappointing...
>
>
>
>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
>Tanner
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:33 PM
>>>To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the
>keys
>
>
>>>I don't think that the sound is as critical as it is that the
>design
>>>and materials of the Braille keys needs a huge change. It is not
>>>possible to type on the Braille Plus nearly as quickly or
>accurately
>>>as on most Braille keyboards. And, I don't know what the Braille
>>>keys now are exactly like, but the Braille keys on the unit that
>I
>>>have are mushey, wobbely, and both feel and sound cheap and
>poorly
>>>made. I don't think I have seen as poor quality Braille keys on
>any
>>>other Braille device in a long time. And, I cannot believe that
>>>this keyboard is going to hold up very well, and is not designed
>in
>>>such a way to make it possible to type very fast when; as has
>been
>>>said before on this list; if you don't press in just the right
>place
>>>the keys won't register correctly or at all.
>
>>>I had my Braille Plus less than three weeks and had to send it
>back
>>>to APH to have the keyboard adjusted, and it really needed more,
>but
>>>I didn't want to wait an additional 3 weeks to a month for it to
>go
>>>to Colorado to get that done. The bottom line is that the
>material
>>>used to make the keys on the Braille keyboard need to be changed,
>>>and something about how the keyboard is designed needs changed.
>>>Since I don't know what they are doing below the surface of the
>>>unit. The problem is that the current design is not any place
>close
>>>to what it should be when you consider how many people type on a
>>>Braille keyboard because of their habits formed back when they
>were
>>>using a Perkins Braillewriter.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>David Tanner
>>>Rehabilitation Program Specialist 3
>>>Assistive Technology Specialist
>>>Assistive Technology Department
>>>MN State Services f/t Blind
>>>Office- 651-642-0795 Cell- 651-270-2233
>>>Skype name: dtat100
>
>
>>>>>>richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx 4/16/2008 9:24 PM
>>>Hi,
>>>It isn't any louder than a standard keyboard. At least, none of
>>>the
>>>keyboards I've used.
>
>>>And, as someone else pointed out, the ADA would not allow someone
>>>to be that
>>>picky.
>
>>>I took notes on a slate and stylus all the way through a Masters
>>>program and
>>>not one professor complained about the noise and the clicking of
>a
>>>slate and
>>>stylus is way more annoying than the keys on the Braille Plus.
>
>>>So, go order it and use the 30 day return policy to find all this
>>>out for
>>>yourself. You won't be sorry you did.
>
>>>Richard
>
>
>>>_____
>
>>>From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob
>>>Lambert
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:40 PM
>>>To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the
>>>keys
>
>
>
>>>Understand that I have not actually seen the unit myself, but I
>>>remember
>>>having a professor who forbade laptops (except for me because I
>was
>>>a
>>>special case) because she thought the keyboard was too noisy -
>she
>>>hated the
>>>"click click click" sound. Essentailly I didn't want a set of
>keys
>>>that
>>>would be so loud that they'd annoy a teacher while a student was
>>>trying to
>>>take notes from a lecture situation.
>
>
>>>_____
>
>>>From: ljgehres@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the
>>>keys
>>>Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:38:34 -0700
>
>
>>>Hmm, I must be unique as I think the Braille+ keys are quiet,
>>>especially
>>>compared with the Braille 'n Speak.
>
>
>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Rob Lambert <mailto:rml695@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:41 PM
>>>Subject: [icon-discuss] Question about the noise level of the
>keys
>
>>>I was curious. Several people on the list noted that the keys on
>>>the Braille
>>>Plus are noisy, both the rubber and plastic keys. Is the noise
>>>level the
>>>same on the Icon or is it quieter?
>
>
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