No, they don't. APH, who makes the Braille Plus, does. On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:15:11 -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: >I didn't realize that LevelStar had no 30 day money back guarantee. >Wow. Thanks for the info on that (this definitely changes things - good >thing I haven't sat down with either of the two units yet LOL). > From: >chase.crispin@xxxxxxxxx > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 12:30:37 -0600 > To: >icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > CC: > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: >Question about the noise level of the keys > > No no no no no no. >Look at a Braille Plus first. None of my keys on either of > my units >are like that. If you buy an Icon and don't like it for some bazaar >reason, you are > stuck with it. If you don't like the Braille Plus >for some strange reason, you can send it back > as long as you have >had it 30 days or less. > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:36:45 -0700, Rob >Lambert wrote: > > > > >IF it's that bad, maybe I should look closer >at the Icon then...what do > >you think? Are the rubber keys also bad? >> From: > >David.Tanner@xxxxxxxxxxx > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; >> >richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:33:13 -0500 > >Subject: > >[icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the >keys > > I > >don't think that the sound is as critical as it is that >the design > > >and materials of the Braille keys needs a huge change. > It is not > > >possible to type on the Braille Plus nearly as quickly >or accurately > > >as on most Braille keyboards. And, I don't know >what the Braille > > >keys now are exactly like, but the Braille keys >on the unit that I > > >have are mushey, wobbely, and both feel and >sound cheap and poorly > > >made. I don't think I have seen as poor >quality Braille keys on any > > >other Braille device in a long time. >And, I cannot believe that > this > >keyboard is going to hold up very >well, and is not designed in > such a > >way to make it possible to >type very fast when; as has been > said > >before on this list; if you >don't press in just the right place > the > >keys won't register >correctly or at all. > > I had my Braille Plus > >less than three >weeks and had to send it back > to APH to have the > >keyboard >adjusted, and it really needed more, but > I didn't want to > >wait an >additional 3 weeks to a month for it to go > to Colorado to get > >>that done. The bottom line is that the material > used to make the > >>keys on the Braille keyboard need to be changed, > and something about > > >how the keyboard is designed needs changed. > Since I don't know >what > >they are doing below the surface of the > unit. The problem >is that > >the current design is not any place close > to what it >should be when > >you consider how many people type on a > Braille >keyboard because of > >their habits formed back when they were > using >a Perkins > >Braillewriter. > > > > > > > David Tanner > >Rehabilitation > >Program Specialist 3 > Assistive Technology >Specialist > Assistive > >Technology Department > MN State Services >f/t Blind > Office- > >651-642-0795 Cell- 651-270-2233 > Skype name: >dtat100 > > > >>> > >richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx 4/16/2008 9:24 PM >>> > >Hi, > It isn't any louder > >than a standard keyboard. At least, none >of > the > keyboards I've > >used. > > And, as someone else pointed >out, the ADA would not allow > >someone > to be that > picky. > > I >took notes on a slate and stylus > >all the way through a Masters > >program and > not one professor > >complained about the noise and the >clicking of a > slate and > stylus > >is way more annoying than the >keys on the Braille Plus. > > So, go > >order it and use the 30 day >return policy to find all this > out for > > >yourself. You won't be >sorry you did. > > Richard > > > _____ > >> > From: >icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >>[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob > Lambert >> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:40 PM > To: > >>icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question > >>about the noise level of the > keys > > > > Understand that I have >> >not actually seen the unit myself, but I > remember > having a > >>professor who forbade laptops (except for me because I was > a > > >>special case) because she thought the keyboard was too noisy - she > >> >hated the > "click click click" sound. Essentailly I didn't want a >set > >of keys > that > would be so loud that they'd annoy a teacher >while a > >student was > trying to > take notes from a lecture >situation. > > > > > _____ > > From: ljgehres@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >To: > >icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: >Question > >about the noise level of the > keys > Date: Wed, 16 Apr >2008 16:38:34 > >-0700 > > > Hmm, I must be unique as I think the >Braille+ keys are > >quiet, > especially > compared with the Braille >'n Speak. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob >Lambert > ><mailto:rml695@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: >icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: > >Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:41 >PM > Subject: [icon-discuss] Question > >about the noise level of the >keys > > I was curious. Several people on > >the list noted that the >keys on > the Braille > Plus are noisy, both > >the rubber and plastic >keys. 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