I didn't realize that LevelStar had no 30 day money back guarantee. Wow. Thanks for the info on that (this definitely changes things - good thing I haven't sat down with either of the two units yet LOL). > From: chase.crispin@xxxxxxxxx > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 12:30:37 -0600 > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > CC: > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the keys > > No no no no no no. Look at a Braille Plus first. None of my keys on either > of > my units are like that. If you buy an Icon and don't like it for some bazaar > reason, you are > stuck with it. If you don't like the Braille Plus for some strange reason, > you can send it back > as long as you have had it 30 days or less. > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:36:45 -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: > > > > >IF it's that bad, maybe I should look closer at the Icon then...what do > >you think? Are the rubber keys also bad? > From: > >David.Tanner@xxxxxxxxxxx > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; > >richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:33:13 -0500 > Subject: > >[icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the keys > > I > >don't think that the sound is as critical as it is that the design > > >and materials of the Braille keys needs a huge change. It is not > > >possible to type on the Braille Plus nearly as quickly or accurately > > >as on most Braille keyboards. And, I don't know what the Braille > > >keys now are exactly like, but the Braille keys on the unit that I > > >have are mushey, wobbely, and both feel and sound cheap and poorly > > >made. I don't think I have seen as poor quality Braille keys on any > > >other Braille device in a long time. And, I cannot believe that > this > >keyboard is going to hold up very well, and is not designed in > such a > >way to make it possible to type very fast when; as has been > said > >before on this list; if you don't press in just the right place > the > >keys won't register correctly or at all. > > I had my Braille Plus > >less than three weeks and had to send it back > to APH to have the > >keyboard adjusted, and it really needed more, but > I didn't want to > >wait an additional 3 weeks to a month for it to go > to Colorado to get > >that done. The bottom line is that the material > used to make the > >keys on the Braille keyboard need to be changed, > and something about > >how the keyboard is designed needs changed. > Since I don't know what > >they are doing below the surface of the > unit. The problem is that > >the current design is not any place close > to what it should be when > >you consider how many people type on a > Braille keyboard because of > >their habits formed back when they were > using a Perkins > >Braillewriter. > > > > > > > David Tanner > Rehabilitation > >Program Specialist 3 > Assistive Technology Specialist > Assistive > >Technology Department > MN State Services f/t Blind > Office- > >651-642-0795 Cell- 651-270-2233 > Skype name: dtat100 > > > >>> > >richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx 4/16/2008 9:24 PM >>> > Hi, > It isn't any louder > >than a standard keyboard. At least, none of > the > keyboards I've > >used. > > And, as someone else pointed out, the ADA would not allow > >someone > to be that > picky. > > I took notes on a slate and stylus > >all the way through a Masters > program and > not one professor > >complained about the noise and the clicking of a > slate and > stylus > >is way more annoying than the keys on the Braille Plus. > > So, go > >order it and use the 30 day return policy to find all this > out for > > >yourself. You won't be sorry you did. > > Richard > > > _____ > >> > From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob > Lambert > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:40 PM > To: > >icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question > >about the noise level of the > keys > > > > Understand that I have > >not actually seen the unit myself, but I > remember > having a > >professor who forbade laptops (except for me because I was > a > > >special case) because she thought the keyboard was too noisy - she > > >hated the > "click click click" sound. Essentailly I didn't want a set > >of keys > that > would be so loud that they'd annoy a teacher while a > >student was > trying to > take notes from a lecture situation. > > > > > _____ > > From: ljgehres@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: > >icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question > >about the noise level of the > keys > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:38:34 > >-0700 > > > Hmm, I must be unique as I think the Braille+ keys are > >quiet, > especially > compared with the Braille 'n Speak. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Lambert > ><mailto:rml695@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: > >Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:41 PM > Subject: [icon-discuss] Question > >about the noise level of the keys > > I was curious. Several people on > >the list noted that the keys on > the Braille > Plus are noisy, both > >the rubber and plastic keys. 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