I find that once you get use to the layout of this keyboard, it's really quite nice for doing braille work. I use it a lot and have come to be quite proficient with it. I would definitely use the bp for note taking in a lecture setting. I think it's very difficult to compare the bp with some of the other note takers which have been mentioned in this thread. There is such a difference in size and of course the bigger ones can have bigger keypads. Do we really want to give up this small size? I don't think so.. Rp On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:36:13 -0400, Sharon wrote: >I would say that a mistake occurs about every 20 key presses on my part. If >you are not doing pages and pages of brailling I think it's adequate. Sharon >-----Original Message----- From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert Sent: >Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:37 PM To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: > >[icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the keys IF it's that >bad, maybe I should look closer at the Icon then...what do you think? Are >the rubber keys also bad? > From: David.Tanner@xxxxxxxxxxx > To: >icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 >22:33:13 -0500 > Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level >of the keys > > I don't think that the sound is as critical as it is that >the design > and materials of the Braille keys needs a huge change. It is >not > possible to type on the Braille Plus nearly as quickly or accurately >> >as on most Braille keyboards. And, I don't know what the Braille > keys now >are exactly like, but the Braille keys on the unit that I > have are >mushey, >wobbely, and both feel and sound cheap and poorly > made. I don't think I >have seen as poor quality Braille keys on any > other Braille device in a >long time. And, I cannot believe that > this keyboard is going to hold up >very well, and is not designed in > such a way to make it possible to type >very fast when; as has been > said before on this list; if you don't press >in just the right place > the keys won't register correctly or at all. > > >> I had my Braille Plus less than three weeks and had to send it back > to >APH to have the keyboard adjusted, and it really needed more, but > I >didn't >want to wait an additional 3 weeks to a month for it to go > to Colorado to >get that done. The bottom line is that the material > used to make the keys >on the Braille keyboard need to be changed, > and something about how the >keyboard is designed needs changed. > Since I don't know what they are >doing below the surface of the > unit. The problem is that the current >design is not any place close > to what it should be when you consider how >many people type on a > Braille keyboard because of their habits formed >back >when they were > using a Perkins Braillewriter. > > > > > > > >David >Tanner > Rehabilitation Program Specialist 3 > Assistive Technology >Specialist > Assistive Technology Department > MN State Services f/t Blind >> >Office- 651-642-0795 Cell- 651-270-2233 > Skype name: dtat100 > > > >>>> >richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx 4/16/2008 9:24 PM >>> > Hi, > It isn't any louder than >a standard keyboard. At least, none of > the > keyboards I've used. > > >And, as someone else pointed out, the ADA would not allow someone > to be >that > picky. > > I took notes on a slate and stylus all the way through a >Masters > program and > not one professor complained about the noise and >the >clicking of a > slate and > stylus is way more annoying than the keys on >the >Braille Plus. > > So, go order it and use the 30 day return policy to find >all this > out for > yourself. You won't be sorry you did. > > Richard >> > > > _____ > > From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob > Lambert > >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:40 PM > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the > keys > >> > > Understand that I have not actually seen the unit myself, but I > >> >remember > having a professor who forbade laptops (except for me because I >was > a > special case) because she thought the keyboard was too noisy - >she >> hated the > "click click click" sound. Essentailly I didn't want a set of >keys > that > would be so loud that they'd annoy a teacher while a student >was > trying to > take notes from a lecture situation. > > > _____ > > >From: ljgehres@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Question about the noise level of the > keys > >Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:38:34 -0700 > > > Hmm, I must be unique as I >think the Braille+ keys are quiet, > especially > compared with the Braille >'n Speak. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Lambert ><mailto:rml695@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: >Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:41 PM > Subject: [icon-discuss] Question about >the noise level of the keys > > I was curious. Several people on the list >noted that the keys on > the Braille > Plus are noisy, both the rubber and >plastic keys. 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